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Oldnproud Thu 17-Aug-23 15:26:30

Imagine that a family you know very well was planning to move house, and after a long time searching, founds a 30 -40 year old property that suited them, offered the asking price and it was accepted. Then well past halfway through the process, you found out by pure chance that bad things have happened there in the past (domestic violence) which led to a suicide. Not inside, but in the garden.

Would you tell them what you had learned or not?

I chose not to say anything, but will add more later.

Mallin Fri 18-Aug-23 11:44:55

Doesn’t the law state all violence that occurred must be admitted?
Anyway, who cares.
Just think of pensioners bungalows.
Tenancy of these have waiting lists but the only way most new tenancies come about is after the death of the original tenants.

NannyDaft Fri 18-Aug-23 11:43:26

Stay quiet !

Greenfinch Fri 18-Aug-23 11:42:12

As a child we lived in Army quarters for a time. Before we moved in a neighbour told us that a young child had died in the house in tragic circumstances (I think her nightie caught fire by an open fireplace). The house was allocated to us so we had no say in the matter and weren’t upset except for feeling sorry for the child. Anyway nothing untoward ever happened and if anything it had a good lived-in feel about it.

greenlady102 Fri 18-Aug-23 11:38:55

Oldnproud

Theexwife

Now that has happened and if they believe in ghosts would they be annoyed with you that you hadn’t said before they bought it?

I honestly don't know. Not that they believed in ghosts before this, but the one who told me what happened in the night was very shaken, while the other slept through it, as did the other occupants of the house.

By the way, they did get out of bed to investigate it, thinking that their house guests were responsible for the noises, but they were all fast asleep and there was no sign of any would-be intruders outside.

The only person who could drop me in it is the one who told me what had happened in the house /garden, but as it was a very unusual and random series of events that led to my meeting and finding this out from this previously total stranger, I am hopeful that it will never be suspected that I knew.

so one person ( a stranger) told you? Do you have any corroboration?

Ailidh Fri 18-Aug-23 11:32:16

I wouldn't have told them before, and I still wouldn't now.

If the noises happen again, I would suggest they ask for a crime reduction officer to visit and potentially give advice about window and door security.

If that didn't help, then I would suggest they ask the local vicar to call round to bless the house.

undines Fri 18-Aug-23 11:29:12

Personally I would tell them. I believe in the spirit world and I also believe that great unhappiness can leave an 'imprint.' They are experiencing things (as I have) and these manifestations can be sorted. As a Wiccan High Priestess I would find someone who was known for sorting out such matters, if I felt I could not do this myself. For instance there may be a local dowsing group in which someone specialises in house clearance. The group to which I belong has several expert dowsers who are also engineers and scientists, so please don't assume it's all what some contemptuously refer to as 'woo-woo'. These things are real, they cause distress, they can be fixed. If there is a poor soul who is earthbound, they deserve release. (I would certainly not call any Christian priest!)

sarahcyn Fri 18-Aug-23 11:22:15

Many people die in houses. Many are also born.
My daughter says we are not “allowed” to move house ever because she was born there 25 years ago!

Nannarose Thu 17-Aug-23 22:00:03

Oldnproud

eazybee

Stay quiet, although you are clearly bursting to tell them, and what good would it do?

I'm not sure what gave you the idea that I am bursting to tell them. It's definitely not the case.

What is true that I have been bursting to discuss it with someone but without involving anyone I know in real life, which is exactly why I raised this on an anonymous forum.

That's what is useful about these forums. I have aked questions on here that I wouldn't want to discuss on real life.
You have also anwered my question about whether they would find out that you knew. I would definitely keep quiet, especially as you don't really know how reliable this 'total stranger' is.
I'd also say that just becaue they found no signs of attempted intrusion doesn't mean someone wasn't trying doors. They would have melted away once someone got up and started moving about the house.

Fleurpepper Thu 17-Aug-23 19:41:58

No.

Oldnproud Thu 17-Aug-23 19:36:34

eazybee

Stay quiet, although you are clearly bursting to tell them, and what good would it do?

I'm not sure what gave you the idea that I am bursting to tell them. It's definitely not the case.

What is true that I have been bursting to discuss it with someone but without involving anyone I know in real life, which is exactly why I raised this on an anonymous forum.

eazybee Thu 17-Aug-23 19:26:07

Stay quiet, although you are clearly bursting to tell them, and what good would it do?

SueDonim Thu 17-Aug-23 19:02:49

I wouldn’t tell them and even if they eventually found out through other means, I’d keep my thoughts to myself.

One of my DD’s friends got married at a stately castle venue. I had knowledge that at a previous wedding a close relative of the bridal couple died by suicide during the reception. How the venue kept it out of the local news I don’t know (a shocked guest told me) but would I have told my dd or her friend? Nope.

Oldnproud Thu 17-Aug-23 18:54:19

Theexwife

Now that has happened and if they believe in ghosts would they be annoyed with you that you hadn’t said before they bought it?

I honestly don't know. Not that they believed in ghosts before this, but the one who told me what happened in the night was very shaken, while the other slept through it, as did the other occupants of the house.

By the way, they did get out of bed to investigate it, thinking that their house guests were responsible for the noises, but they were all fast asleep and there was no sign of any would-be intruders outside.

The only person who could drop me in it is the one who told me what had happened in the house /garden, but as it was a very unusual and random series of events that led to my meeting and finding this out from this previously total stranger, I am hopeful that it will never be suspected that I knew.

Blondiescot Thu 17-Aug-23 18:52:17

BlueBelle

Good grief no
If no one ever lived in a house with unsavoury history there would be an awful lot of empty houses

Ghosts are just in some peoples imagination they don’t exist

Why would you spoil their lovely dream

My thoughts exactly. And even if I did find out that something had happened in my house, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

pascal30 Thu 17-Aug-23 18:50:37

I wouldn't tell them because I don't think it has any relevence to present day..

Oldnproud Thu 17-Aug-23 18:36:14

I am feeling rather less guilty now, as it seems that the vast majority of you would have said nothing. I haven't told a single person 'in real life', so hopefully my decision will not come back to haunt me (no pun intended, honest!)

Caravansera Thu 17-Aug-23 18:34:28

When did this event happen?

On a practical note, knowledge of a violent death by murder or suicide must be declared by sellers on the TA6 form.

My question would be how many owners has the house had since the death? If it hasn't changed hands frequently, then it would suggest that previous owners haven't been bothered by supernatural happenings whether or not they knew about the history.

If the latest occupants do believe in this kind of thing then they may have legal recourse if the sellers knew about the history and did not disclose it.

Theexwife Thu 17-Aug-23 18:23:11

Now that has happened and if they believe in ghosts would they be annoyed with you that you hadn’t said before they bought it?

Kate1949 Thu 17-Aug-23 18:18:53

There must be many houses with a history of domestic violence. My childhood was full of domestic violence. We sold the house when our mother died.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 17-Aug-23 18:05:03

I would tell them. It’s then entirely their decision whether they feel comfortable with the house’s history or not. I would want to know and I wouldn’t want to proceed. I have lived in a 500 year old house which had a lovely atmosphere, though many deaths would have happened there and much sadness would have been experienced. I also acted for a developer who bought a redundant hospital and can’t say what workmen and sales staff experienced in the old mortuary which was converted into a house, but no way would I have lived there.

Nannarose Thu 17-Aug-23 18:00:51

I don't think I would tell them, but I just might if the circumstances are such that they would find out you must have known and are likely to be upset that you said nothing.
If you decide to 'fess up' I would say that you had heard a rumour and were unsure about it.

And yes, I would be a lot more worried about an attempted burglary. Do they have good safety measures in place?
And that is one reason I would say nothing - better to get goosd advice on home safety than to worry about a ghost!

Stansgran Thu 17-Aug-23 17:49:24

I live in a small cul de sac. I can count off the top of my head one suicide next door before we moved here ,one more recently, the murder abroad of a granddaughter of one resident,the son of another who murdered his wife. Only a few houses and in a conservation area. Scratch the surface of any group of houses and you’ll find something.

BlueBelle Thu 17-Aug-23 16:33:12

Good grief no
If no one ever lived in a house with unsavoury history there would be an awful lot of empty houses

Ghosts are just in some peoples imagination they don’t exist

Why would you spoil their lovely dream

Blossoming Thu 17-Aug-23 16:21:21

It wouldn’t occur to me to tell them. Maybe a burglar was trying to break in.

Callistemon21 Thu 17-Aug-23 16:17:24

My very sensible, down-to-earth friends had a ghost in their old house. They didn't mind her and researched the history to find out more.

I've heard of houses being blessed and even an exorcism because there was a poltergeist there.