Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

I think quite a lot of people were bothered about Johnson's appearance and demeanour, MayBee70, eventually, if not at first.

Yes, there was a lot of criticism of Johnson's hair, for instance.

Angela has the most beautiful hair 😃

That's a good point, DAR. We don't necessarily have to like our politicians. But I still feel quite strongly that I would not want her as our DPM.
I think quite a lot of people were bothered about Johnson's appearance and demeanour, MayBee70, eventually, if not at first. After his massive victory many people soon became disenchanted. And his posh voice etc, meant nothing to me.
I never have voted Conservative.

I meant the ones that ended up in the cabinet or rose to become PM.

Anniebach you’re right!

Nor did all Oxford graduates attend the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called. My son didn’t, and neither did any of his friends.
What did he do?
Worked hard and graduated with a first class degree in Jurisprudence.

All tory MP’s were not educated at Eton

Whitewavemark2

Who is the woman that gave the finger to the press?

Remind me who is uncooff and vulgar😄😄😄

Princess Anne

maddyone

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

Simple. They’re both uncouth.

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henetha

I realise there is much to respect about Angela Rayner, but no matter what I cannot bring myself to like her or want her as Deputy Prime Minister. She is just too uncouth for me.
I don't think it's snobbish to say that. And we are all allowed our opinion.
Great problems about who to vote for at the next GE.
Definitely not Tory though.

And yet people weren’t bothered about Johnson appearing hung over at airports, or with his shirt hanging out. I was totally embarrassed seeing him on the world stage obese and with his tousled hair. But hey, he could speak Latin and spoke with a posh voice. I wonder how many of our Eton educated MP’s would have even passed their A levels if mummy and daddy hadn’t’ve had the money to pay for their education?

henetha

I realise there is much to respect about Angela Rayner, but no matter what I cannot bring myself to like her or want her as Deputy Prime Minister. She is just too uncouth for me.
I don't think it's snobbish to say that. And we are all allowed our opinion.
Great problems about who to vote for at the next GE.
Definitely not Tory though.

Why do you feel the need to like her, I wonder? If she does the job that she is given well, to some extent we don't even need to know anything about her, except that her boss believes she is capable.

I can understand the need for us to have a little more knowledge of our local MP. However, personality varies and a good team is best made up of a variety of personalities.

Thank you DaisyAnne and others who supported what you said about me, for your glowing reference on my understanding and character

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

Simple. They’re both uncouth.

BlueBell you are taking extremes , the king v me , the country is not divided as such

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

Not, imho.

We can respect her achievements.

But the bottom line is - is she acceptable to the wider electorate or not?
Does the thought of Angela Rayner as Deputy PM or even PM make the Labour Party more likely to win the next election or not?

anniebach If you seriously need to ask that question I give up
That’s the equivalent of saying the King knows more about a person with arthritis (or old age or limitations to travel) than you do

MaizieD

Anniebach

Much inverted snobbery

Where is the inverted snobbery, please Ab?

I did wonder if I used more earthy language, my posts would be more acceptable, Maisie

I realise there is much to respect about Angela Rayner, but no matter what I cannot bring myself to like her or want her as Deputy Prime Minister. She is just too uncouth for me.
I don't think it's snobbish to say that. And we are all allowed our opinion.
Great problems about who to vote for at the next GE.
Definitely not Tory though.

25Avalon

DaisyAnneReturns at the moment our so called democracy sees all sorts of actions that the electorate did not vote for and I cannot see a Labour government being much different from the current lot. MPs on the whole are made to obey the party line. I don’t think it’s all about me. I think it’s become all about them, as do a lot of the electorate who don’t even vote as they feel disenchanted and disenfranchised.

Our "so called democracy" is our only democracy Avalon. As a subject of that democracy it is our job to continue to improve it as our ancestors have done before us. Just think, in 1918, the year my father was born, we saw The Representation of the People Act 1918.

That was a huge step forward and we would now be shocked if there were property owning limitations to who could vote but even this giant step forward left men able to vote at 21 but women had to be 30 or over and they, or their husbands had to own the property they resided in. Think how far we have come; how much our democracy has grown during the lives of just two generations.

It’s wrong to equate formal education with intelligence or knowledge in my opinion. Intelligent but less formally educated people seek out knowledge.

And are mocked for it. As when Dominic Raab sneered in the HOC about Angela Rayner - shock, horror - going to the opera.

Her comment was:

“My advice to the Deputy Prime Minister is to cut out the snobbery and brush up on his opera. The Marriage of Figaro is the story of a working-class woman who gets the better of a privileged but dim-witted villain."

So why is Rayner in touch with the real world? Well she's done one of the worst, most underpaid and yet essential jobs-that of carer. So she knows how society works and what the problems are.
She grew up in poverty. There are currently 4.2 million children living in poverty in the UK. That's 29% of children. 9 out of a class of 30 (except it will be 30 out of 30 in some areas). She knows their plight and hopefully she can make Starmer rethink his views and accept they are a priority.

She was a single mother at 16, so she's worked hard to get where she is. If it isn't aspirational to rise from a poor background , work hard as a single mother and a carer, and eventually become an MP then God knows what is.

It’s wrong to equate formal education with intelligence or knowledge in my opinion. Intelligent but less formally educated people seek out knowledge, and very often are self directed learners, so excel in their areas of interest.
We need a mixture of people in government who can relate to the electorate -and it’s surely better to have somebody who knows how many people struggle, from experience, rather than somebody who doesn’t but cultivates a ‘bloke you’d meet at the pub’ persona.
As I said earlier, she wouldn’t be my choice for deputy PM, but I think she has a lot to offer and should get a cabinet post which plays to her strengths.

Why is Rayner considered more in touch with the real world than most politicians? It is so not true

Glorianny

So why not Nicenanny3. She's a great example of a hard working aspirational woman. She grew up in poverty, was a single mum at 16, has worked as a carer and is now a grandmother. She seems to me someone more in touch with the real world than most other politicians.

What you've listed there is hardly “aspirational” is it? And as for being “more in touch with the real world”, she believes that a woman can have a penis!

Just another good reason not to vote Labour.

Please can someone show me where there has been "inverted snobbery" I genuinely haven't seen an example of it.