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I’m really cross that the teacher shown punching her horse …..

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Poppyred Sun 27-Aug-23 19:24:49

Has been found not guilty of animal cruelty!
Just that really……

MaizieD Mon 28-Aug-23 07:38:50

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm sure that, this having got to trial, experts, possibly those more expert than people on here, were duly called.

And what 'experts' would they be, DAR?.

How do you think they might differ in their judgement from the posters on this thread who have long experience with horses? You have no idea at all about the level of expertise that exists on this thread.

But, leaving aside 'expertise'. What if the recipient of that abuse had been a child, another adult, a dog, or any other sentient being? What level of abuse are you willing to find acceptable?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 28-Aug-23 05:28:24

I am hoping that she has learned enough now to modify her behaviour, and keep her temper in check.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 28-Aug-23 00:27:12

I'm sure that, this having got to trial, experts, possibly those more expert than people on here, were duly called.

MaizieD Mon 28-Aug-23 00:11:33

Freya5

Glorianny

The jury saw all the evidence and judged her not guilty.This process of trying people based on short video clips is not legal or balanced.

Absolutely. Trial by social media, where one short clip is shown of an incident, is becoming increasingly acceptable in this country. I find it abhorrent and actually very scary. Non of them condemming on here know the full story, they only see a short clip of what happened.

The people on here who have long experience with horses know that you should never, ever do what she did to that horse.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 28-Aug-23 00:08:06

Glorianny

The jury saw all the evidence and judged her not guilty.This process of trying people based on short video clips is not legal or balanced.

I agree. No one can second guess a jury; they don't have all the relevant information.

Anyone making death threats should find themselves in front of a jury.

MaizieD Mon 28-Aug-23 00:06:33

Grantanow

The jury did not agree with the opinions of people who had seen short video clips on the media. She was not guilty. The jury saw all the evidence. Trial by newspaper and the media must stop.

The clip I saw was enough. The horse did absolutely nothing wrong, it just got loose and wandered off to find some grass. That is not a horsey sin, it's natural horse behaviour.

What led up to the filmed clip is immaterial. That wasn't by any stretch of the imagination, 'training', it was quite unnecessary punishment. Punishment that the horse would have no idea of why it was inflicted, and of a nature that no horse person I know (and we have horses, too, so I know a fair number) would ever dream of inflicting.

Kate1949 Sun 27-Aug-23 23:38:56

Ridiculous verdict. I assume she had the best lawyers. She punched and kicked the horse. Vile woman.

Grantanow Sun 27-Aug-23 23:27:07

The jury did not agree with the opinions of people who had seen short video clips on the media. She was not guilty. The jury saw all the evidence. Trial by newspaper and the media must stop.

LondonMzFitz Sun 27-Aug-23 22:46:52

It really is dreadful, isn't it. I don't see any mention of the fact she'd left her child in charge of the horse while she loaded her own horse - on a road - and her excuse was that the horse could have caused an accident by getting away from the child and going off to explore a bit of grass ...

She was at fault for leaving an animal in charge of a child, on a road.
She was at fault for hitting and kicking the animal.

Notice too the lack of surprise or anxiety from the child while the parent does this - from which I believe this has happened before but it's not been captured on film.

Horrid woman, glad she lost her job.

Callistemon21 Sun 27-Aug-23 22:34:07

Poppyred

What is considered cruelty then if not this??

Absolutely!

What was the jury thinking?

Iam64 Sun 27-Aug-23 22:27:55

I saw the video, like everyone posting here I found it distressing. I rode until RA stopped me. My daughters rode, granddaughter a recent 5 year old starter.
I read her defence was the horse had moved off down the road. She chastised it stop it doing this again. The most obvious concern to me (apart from kicking the animal and slapping it repeatedly round the face) was the chastisement took place after the incident. The horse had no idea why it was being hit , kicked and frightened.
Anyone working with horses/dogs knows any aversive or praise needs instant delivery, or it’s meaningless

What convinced the jury she was innocent?

LadyGracie Sun 27-Aug-23 22:27:43

Horrible woman, I wish the horse had kicked her back!

Gillycats Sun 27-Aug-23 22:22:06

The video was all the evidence needed. Vile woman. Clearly the judge isn’t unbiased and should be sacked. Wonder if he’s part of her hunting fraternity. Probably took umbrage at the Sabs calling her out.

Sassanach512 Sun 27-Aug-23 22:15:37

Freya5 what "full story" could possibly condone the fact that, however short the clip was, she was seen kicking and slapping that poor horse? She said she was 'training' the animal, I hope she doesn't train her children that way too angry

fancythat Sun 27-Aug-23 22:05:38

I dont kow much about horses. So had presumed I had got things wrong.
But a vet at the trial said she had used inappropriate force.

The lady still seems to be considering herself innocent.
I think now the jury had delared her innocent, I dont thing she realises that makes everything worse for her and not better.

Gingster Sun 27-Aug-23 22:04:46

How on earth was she cleared of cruelty to that poor horse. It’s clear to see on the video.
Horrible woman!

Washerwoman Sun 27-Aug-23 21:59:46

One short clip?Enough to see him kick the poor horse hard and slap it repeatedly. Disgraceful. I can't believe the verdict.

Aveline Sun 27-Aug-23 21:29:00

We all can clearly see her punching and kicking a horse in the film. Social media is not wrong in this case.

Freya5 Sun 27-Aug-23 21:15:06

Glorianny

The jury saw all the evidence and judged her not guilty.This process of trying people based on short video clips is not legal or balanced.

Absolutely. Trial by social media, where one short clip is shown of an incident, is becoming increasingly acceptable in this country. I find it abhorrent and actually very scary. Non of them condemming on here know the full story, they only see a short clip of what happened.

Poppyred Sun 27-Aug-23 21:02:12

What is considered cruelty then if not this??

Millie22 Sun 27-Aug-23 20:56:03

She kicked her horse quite clearly on the film clip and slapped it several times as well. We have seen it countless times on our local news.

Guilty every time.

25Avalon Sun 27-Aug-23 20:51:52

I don’t know how she got away with it. It must have been some technicality that the judge instructed the jury on.

Blondiescot Sun 27-Aug-23 20:40:21

Primrose53

I agree. You can tell from the video she really lost it and meant to hurt the pony.

We have horses and would never treat them like she did. We have had one that hated being loaded into a truck and you just have to be patient and reassure them, never resort to hitting them.

I am glad she lost her teaching job but read today she has another job.

Totally agree. Been around horses all my life and would never have dreamed of treating any of them in that manner. My daughter's pony used to be a bit wary of loading into a horse box, but with gentle coaxing and plenty of patience, she eventually got used to it. There's NO excuse for slapping and kicking a horse the way that woman did in the video.
PS: I certainly don't condone anyone giving her family abuse though - especially the children.

Aveline Sun 27-Aug-23 20:38:15

I just don't understand it! No way to treat a horse or any animal. How on earth did she get away with it?

BlueBelle Sun 27-Aug-23 20:26:02

Disgraceful and a very very bad verdict