I’m really cross that the teacher shown punching her horse …..

I agree with your last two posts MaizieD

The most painful injury I have sustained over the years was a bite on my derrière whilst picking out a ponies rear hoof.

Callistemon21

I wonder what Bruce Almighty has learnt from this?

Horses can kick too, and they bite.
They're not stupid and they do remember.

The thing a horse is most likely to do when being handled by an unmounted human is to stand on the handler's foot. (Which I can vouch for being extremely painful) It's always the handler's fault for not being sufficiently aware of the horse's movements..

They are highly unlikely to deliberately kick and even less likely to bite.

A horse that dislikes humans is more likely to run away from them than to attack them, if they're in an open space.

You are in much more danger of a horse related injury if you're sat on it...

Quote - Hunting is legal as long as you follow the laws and rules governing it.

Hunting is absolutely not legal in England, Scotland or Wales :
www.league.org.uk/what-we-do/hunting/fox-hunting/#:~:text=Is%20fox%20hunting%20illegal%3F,Scotland)%20Act%202002%20in%20Scotland. So called "Trail Hunting" is legal, where a pre-laid scent trail is laid, but if the hounds come across the scent of a fox then the chase is on. Until the fox - or at this time of year, fox cubs - are mauled to death while people sit on their horses and look on ... "Sport" apparently. Fun times, take your kids ... Yuk.

I don't imagine that this is the first time it's happened to him Callistemon.

I wonder what Bruce Almighty has learnt from this?

Horses can kick too, and they bite.
They're not stupid and they do remember.

I suppose overall the horse wasn’t actually hurt in the sense of being bruised but what disgusting behaviour. She needs to learn respect and how to control herself.

Glorianny

Blondiescot

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Can't help it. Here's film of slaps, hits and kicks. They all look real, but no one was hurt. What you see on film isn't always the reality! www.google.com/search?sca_esv=560955759&cs=0&sxsrf=AB5stBi4HbwbiIrc695EirUicyrGrmpVvw:1693303152426&q=the+three+stooges+slapping&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirjpPnzYGBAxUHXUEAHbJ6DCkQpboHKAZ6BAgBEAo&biw=1152&bih=562&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b9d32874,

Well, not in films!
Actors learn how to make a slap or punch look convincing without actual contact!

However, are you saying that the video was doctored?

No I am saying that you cannot tell from any video the amount of force that was employed, or even (in the case of the kick) how much actual contact there was. What looks violent isn't necessarily. A light glancing blow (which actors and comics use) looks the same as a violent slap. You can't always believe your eyes.

So I'll ask yet again - do you think it is ever acceptable to slap and kick an animal, no matter how much force was used? If it was a child instead of a horse, would you find it acceptable?

Children as far as I know are not large animals with power and strength, capable of causing injury to people in close proximity. Would you have found it acceptable if the horse had kicked or trampled a child?
I'd rather a horse was slapped than a child trampled

Oh, FGS, Glorrianny. Do you know the first thing about horses?

The likelihood of that horse doing either of those things was absolutely zilch.

As for those implying that members of the hunting community are evil cruel beasts who wouldn't hesitate to mistreat their animals you are wronging them. I have known members of local hunts and they wouldn't dream of treating their horses in that way. They mostly think the world of them and have great rapport with them.

Germanshepherdsmum

It was a jury, not ‘a crazy barmy judge’. What a silly, uninformed comment.

I sometimes wonder if people have any idea how the court system actually operates. And Kate1949, you are spot on - the poor pony would have no idea why he was being kicked and slapped.
As I've said several times, I've been around horses my whole life - from little Shetland ponies to 17 hands plus horses - and no matter how badly they may have behaved, I would never have dreamed of slapping or kicking any of them. What an example to set to her child too.

After a three-day trial at Lincoln Crown Court, the jury of 11 men and one woman cleared the 39-year-old after just over five hours of deliberation.

I can find nowhere were it says the jury wasn't unanimous on the first vote. It seems that "those who want to be angry" are now resorting to fake news.

Perhaps Stella14 can reference where she found this to clear up the mystery.

Details of how many jurors are dissenting part way through their deliberations, and how many think the defendant is guilty, are not released to the public. A judge is obliged to ask for a unanimous verdict and can only accept a majority verdict if, after much deliberation, there is no chance of unanimity.

What a ridiculous thing for her to say. Bruce would know he was being punched and kicked. How on earth would he know why?

I can't find anything about the verdict having to be unanimous, or if they disagreed, only that the jury cleared her.

The horse had been left in the charge of a child, gone off down the road, munched grass at the verge then returned on his own, according to her version of events. She hit and kicked him after he returned, so effectively was punishing him for coming back!

She said: "My intention was then, and always was, to discipline Bruce in the moment so that he does not do it again.

It was a jury, not ‘a crazy barmy judge’. What a silly, uninformed comment.

Another incident of crazy barmy judges getting it wrong. Why do we not value our beautiful animals. 😡

Callistemon21

Gundy

What is wrong with that jury???

If there was one or several jurors who condoned that abuse, then convinced the rest of the jury pool - what a weak and pathetic bunch of humans. Come on! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
USA Gundy

No , it was a 11 to 1 majority that she should be convicted but the judge insisted on a unanimous vote, according to Stella14:

^11 jurors believed her to be guilty, 1 juror disagreed. The judge (unusually) insisted on an unanimous guilty verdict or a not guilty verdict!^

Stella14

Where did you read that, please?

Gundy

What is wrong with that jury???

If there was one or several jurors who condoned that abuse, then convinced the rest of the jury pool - what a weak and pathetic bunch of humans. Come on! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
USA Gundy

No , it was a 11 to 1 majority that she should be convicted but the judge insisted on a unanimous vote, according to Stella14:

11 jurors believed her to be guilty, 1 juror disagreed. The judge (unusually) insisted on an unanimous guilty verdict or a not guilty verdict!

DaisyAnneReturns

fancythat

Yes. People will make their own minds up.
Going by this thread, most are not liking what they see.

A small number of those on a site for Grannies, are not necessarily right. No majority is necessarily right.

Are you saying we are not right to dislike what we see?

🤔

Surely we are entitled to an opinion?

What is wrong with that jury???

If there was one or several jurors who condoned that abuse, then convinced the rest of the jury pool - what a weak and pathetic bunch of humans. Come on! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
USA Gundy

Kate1949

Yes the horse's acting was superb.

He was a star pupil at the Guildhall School of Music & Drama.

Dreadful verdict. No remorse and quite clear from the evidence that she was unnecessarily abusing the animal because she had lost her temper. Shouldn't be around animals or children with that temperament. Can't abide any form of cruelty. Did she get off because she was a bit posh?

DaisyAnneReturns

That is your opinion about what you would do LondonMzFitz. You are as entitled to that just as the horse's owner is entitled to her opinion, as long as neither of you break the law.

Hunting is legal as long as you follow the laws and rules governing it. The fact that you and others don't approve, doesn't make it illegal. It will only be so if the law is changed yet again.

I mentioned that it was hunt saboteurs who took the video (Hertfordshire Hunt Saboteurs) because anti-hunt activists have been found to have regularly submitted "heavily edited" footage to police, claiming it shows evidence of illegal hunting activity.

It wouldn't surprise me if no one, except the court, came out of this incident very well.

If the footage had been 'heavily edited', there would be evidence of that.

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Can't help it. Here's film of slaps, hits and kicks. They all look real, but no one was hurt. What you see on film isn't always the reality! www.google.com/search?sca_esv=560955759&cs=0&sxsrf=AB5stBi4HbwbiIrc695EirUicyrGrmpVvw:1693303152426&q=the+three+stooges+slapping&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirjpPnzYGBAxUHXUEAHbJ6DCkQpboHKAZ6BAgBEAo&biw=1152&bih=562&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b9d32874,

Well, not in films!
Actors learn how to make a slap or punch look convincing without actual contact!

However, are you saying that the video was doctored?

No I am saying that you cannot tell from any video the amount of force that was employed, or even (in the case of the kick) how much actual contact there was. What looks violent isn't necessarily. A light glancing blow (which actors and comics use) looks the same as a violent slap. You can't always believe your eyes.

A light glancing blow (which actors and comics use) looks the same as a violent slap

I think any drama student would laugh in incredulity at that statement. There is no contact unless a mistake happens.
😂

The comparison between the video and film and drama is quite ludicrous.

She was sacked.

If she would hit an animal then it's only a matter of time before she hits a child. If I had a child in her class then I would take that child out of her class and let the Headteacher deal with it. Absolutely disgusted.

Grannybiz

I do and if she does that in a public road, how does she treat horses behind closed doors, she should of been found guilty and not be allowed to keep or work with any animals, fuming

How do you treat the horses in your care Grannybiz?