I’m really cross that the teacher shown punching her horse …..

That is your opinion about what you would do LondonMzFitz. You are as entitled to that just as the horse's owner is entitled to her opinion, as long as neither of you break the law.

Hunting is legal as long as you follow the laws and rules governing it. The fact that you and others don't approve, doesn't make it illegal. It will only be so if the law is changed yet again.

I mentioned that it was hunt saboteurs who took the video (Hertfordshire Hunt Saboteurs) because anti-hunt activists have been found to have regularly submitted "heavily edited" footage to police, claiming it shows evidence of illegal hunting activity.

It wouldn't surprise me if no one, except the court, came out of this incident very well.

I agree with you Mamma66. We have had our rescue cat for two years and he is as terrified as the day he came. The doorbell rings and he flees upstairs and rustling paper has the same effect. You can see the fear in his eyes. Animals have long memories.

Mamma66

This morning someone delivered a parcel whilst I was just coming out of the shower. I opened the window and called down and asked them to leave it out the front. My arthritis is quite bad at the moment so I stepped outside with my walking stick. As I returned inside I used my stick to step in and our lovely dog which we have had FOR TEN YEARS flinched and shot back into the house. He had been abused as a young dog and though we have never touched him other than with love and certainly never struck him, he still flinched. I am sorry, but hitting animals is never okay in my book; especially when you understand the impact it has on them for the rest of their lives.

Yes, I had a beautiful rescue dog who had obviously been beaten. It never leaves them even when they have been treated with nothing but love and kindness for years. So very sad.

I do and if she does that in a public road, how does she treat horses behind closed doors, she should of been found guilty and not be allowed to keep or work with any animals, fuming

This morning someone delivered a parcel whilst I was just coming out of the shower. I opened the window and called down and asked them to leave it out the front. My arthritis is quite bad at the moment so I stepped outside with my walking stick. As I returned inside I used my stick to step in and our lovely dog which we have had FOR TEN YEARS flinched and shot back into the house. He had been abused as a young dog and though we have never touched him other than with love and certainly never struck him, he still flinched. I am sorry, but hitting animals is never okay in my book; especially when you understand the impact it has on them for the rest of their lives.

I find it hard to believe that Glorianny seems to be excusing and making light of this woman’s actions. Without trawling back through the thread, I don’t think any other poster has done so.

Have beeb found guilty

tictacnana

I’d willingly flog her myself as I would with anyone being cruel to animals.

Makes you as bad as her then. Disgusting remark, I think she should be found guilty and punished, I don't want vengeance.

Incident (Animal Cruelty) occurred on 6 November 2021.
Vet examined the horse on 16 November 2021.

10 days between Sarah Moulds kicking the horse in the chest, slapping and punching the horse around the face.

From a Daily Mail article - Giving evidence for the prosecution, Dr Suzanne Green, an equine veterinary surgeon, said that Moulds' actions were 'not proportionate, not appropriate and not in response to anything'. However, she accepted that there was no external evidence of bruising on Bruce and any internal injuries or bruising under his fur would only have been detected through a post-mortem examination.

Likening the blows to the horse being whipped in racing or showjumping, Mr Duffy (defence counsel) said: 'Horses have pain inflicted on them in many other ways in the course of sports. 'We know that punishment to horses is both routine and permitted in certain settings.'

Dr Green replied: 'At no point is hitting your horse in the face done with care.'

I read the suggestion (earlier in this thread) that 11 of the jurors found her to be guilty and 1 juror not guilty (someone put that on Twitter over the weekend) - I've done a bit of searching and can't find that anywhere and, frankly, if I was on that jury and found her guilty no way no how would I back down from that, and I can't imagine 11 people would against 1.

She'd taken her child hunting with the Cottesmore Hunt. I am a strong supporter of the Hunt Saboteurs; no-one can convince me that this woman is an advocate for animal welfare when she's out to kill foxes as a fun excursion with her child. Headlines "my life was torn to pieces" - better that than a fox torn to pieces. lady! Her claims her children have received death threats - if she's said that under oath I'd happily call her a liar. Her word is worthless.

Unbelievable verdict but, if nothing else, what she has experienced should make her think twice before hurting an animal again.

Glorianny

Blondiescot

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Can't help it. Here's film of slaps, hits and kicks. They all look real, but no one was hurt. What you see on film isn't always the reality! www.google.com/search?sca_esv=560955759&cs=0&sxsrf=AB5stBi4HbwbiIrc695EirUicyrGrmpVvw:1693303152426&q=the+three+stooges+slapping&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirjpPnzYGBAxUHXUEAHbJ6DCkQpboHKAZ6BAgBEAo&biw=1152&bih=562&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b9d32874,

Well, not in films!
Actors learn how to make a slap or punch look convincing without actual contact!

However, are you saying that the video was doctored?

No I am saying that you cannot tell from any video the amount of force that was employed, or even (in the case of the kick) how much actual contact there was. What looks violent isn't necessarily. A light glancing blow (which actors and comics use) looks the same as a violent slap. You can't always believe your eyes.

So I'll ask yet again - do you think it is ever acceptable to slap and kick an animal, no matter how much force was used? If it was a child instead of a horse, would you find it acceptable?

Children as far as I know are not large animals with power and strength, capable of causing injury to people in close proximity. Would you have found it acceptable if the horse had kicked or trampled a child?
I'd rather a horse was slapped than a child trampled

Wow, nice deflection there, Glorianny. The horse did not kick or trample a child - fact. The woman did slap and kick the horse - fact. You may find that acceptable. I do not. Nor it seems do most of the people commenting on this thread - especially those who know horses and have been around them most of their lives.

DaisyAnneReturns

fancythat

Yes. People will make their own minds up.
Going by this thread, most are not liking what they see.

A small number of those on a site for Grannies, are not necessarily right. No majority is necessarily right.

That is not what I said.
I was responding to Theexwife comments.

Glorianny

Children as far as I know are not large animals with power and strength, capable of causing injury to people in close proximity. Would you have found it acceptable if the horse had kicked or trampled a child?

Then WHY leave a child in charge of such an animal on the verge of a road, knowing full well what it is capable of?

She was negligent, got annoyed, and hit the animal in frustration.

X post GSM, sorry.

Stella14

Glorianny

The jury saw all the evidence and judged her not guilty.This process of trying people based on short video clips is not legal or balanced.

Not quite. The jury came back and told the judge they couldn’t reach a unanimous verdict. 11 jurors believed her to be guilty, 1 juror disagreed. The judge (unusually) insisted on an unanimous guilty verdict or a not guilty verdict! I guess he was into hunting and horses just being annoying tools for that 😡

What evidence have you for that? Actually, ignore that. I have realised the depths we have got too.

Brown envelopes? Do you have any basis for that allegation?

The offence is ‘causing unnecessary suffering’, not ‘cruelty’, and I have explained above that the causing of unnecessary suffering was not proved beyond reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of the jury.

Summerfly

Yes DaisyAnne. Couldn’t agree more. The hunting fraternity get away with so much cruelty. Brown envelopes in back pockets!

I think it would help to know what you are agreeing with.

Just can’t understand the not guilty verdict. The clip absolutely sickened me. I hate animal cruelty, there is no excuse.

Stella, the judge always has to ask for a unanimous verdict initially and can only accept a majority verdict if, after long deliberation, the jury are really unable to agree. I haven’t researched the proceedings but are you sure 11 jurors wanted to bring in a guilty verdict and one did not, yet s/he managed to persuade them? That would be a remarkable turnaround. How do you know that, given that jury deliberations are confidential?

I’d willingly flog her myself as I would with anyone being cruel to animals.

Blondiescot

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Glorianny

Can't help it. Here's film of slaps, hits and kicks. They all look real, but no one was hurt. What you see on film isn't always the reality! www.google.com/search?sca_esv=560955759&cs=0&sxsrf=AB5stBi4HbwbiIrc695EirUicyrGrmpVvw:1693303152426&q=the+three+stooges+slapping&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirjpPnzYGBAxUHXUEAHbJ6DCkQpboHKAZ6BAgBEAo&biw=1152&bih=562&dpr=1.25#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b9d32874,

Well, not in films!
Actors learn how to make a slap or punch look convincing without actual contact!

However, are you saying that the video was doctored?

No I am saying that you cannot tell from any video the amount of force that was employed, or even (in the case of the kick) how much actual contact there was. What looks violent isn't necessarily. A light glancing blow (which actors and comics use) looks the same as a violent slap. You can't always believe your eyes.

So I'll ask yet again - do you think it is ever acceptable to slap and kick an animal, no matter how much force was used? If it was a child instead of a horse, would you find it acceptable?

Children as far as I know are not large animals with power and strength, capable of causing injury to people in close proximity. Would you have found it acceptable if the horse had kicked or trampled a child?
I'd rather a horse was slapped than a child trampled

Yes DaisyAnne. Couldn’t agree more. The hunting fraternity get away with so much cruelty. Brown envelopes in back pockets!

Agree 💯 GSM. No animal should be treated this way. Poor thing was terrified.

NannyMags

This is animal cruelty and she should be prosecuted in my opinion.

Do read the thread NannyMags. It’s about the outcome of the prosecution.