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Calling Someond A Racist

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lyleLyle Wed 30-Aug-23 21:39:04

Being on the receiving end of racism is far worse than being called a racist. Perhaps rather than discounting the experiences of others by bold declarations of invalidation like your not-so-innocent example did, maybe ask why a person would say such a thing in the first place.

Grandmabatty Wed 30-Aug-23 21:11:02

Fox posted some vile photos on twitter of him and his children with black makeup and wigs. That looks racist to me

Doodledog Wed 30-Aug-23 20:43:00

Laurence Fox has some highly questionable views. The 'female' in the audience said that Meghan Markle had been treated badly because of her race, and LF said that it was racist of her to refer to him as a 'white, privileged male', entirely missing the point of what racism actually means. In fact, it was LF who called the woman (can we stop calling her a 'female', please?) a racist, not the other way round.

Having said that, words like 'racist', 'bigot' and so on can describe behaviours, but when they are used to define an individual they become subjective and potentially offensive. It's similar to the difference between saying someone is 'crippled' and calling them 'a cripple', or referring to a 'person of colour' (emphasis on 'person') and to a 'coloured person' (emphasis on colour).

Oreo Wed 30-Aug-23 20:27:52

The term racist is chucked about too much, often by thick people who mean xenophobic really or just as a general sort of insult.

Brahumbug Wed 30-Aug-23 20:00:56

I agree, calling somebody that should be actionable. As you say, you wouldn't get away with calling someone a paedophile without solid evidence.

Anniel Wed 30-Aug-23 14:15:58

Sorry for the misspelling in the title!

Anniel Wed 30-Aug-23 14:14:45

In todays DT Douglas Murray wrote an interesting article about the implications of calling someone “a racist”. If you defame another individual by calling them a “Paedophile” there is the legal route to accuse them of telling a lie that can be disproven. However, if you call a person “racist” that term is purely subjective and you have no recourse to legal justice. Douglas Murray recounts what happened to Laurence Fox on Question Time when a female in the audience said that the UK is racist. Lauence Fox said he disagreed and that Britain was “a lovely country” and it was not true.
That marked the total destruction of Laurence Fox’s career. He became persona non grata and is now politically engaged in politics.and his views may very much be thought unpalatable by many people. However, it seems grossly unfair to me that any mischief maker can accuse any famous member of society of being racist and there is no legal way to disprove such an allegation. This awful label can destroy another persons stature in society. I have no way of finding out the identity of Fox’s accuser, but surely as a matter of.fairness this is a dreadful, accusation made with no objective truth?

What do other grans think?

Everything in the DT seems to be behind a paywall so I have not provided a link.