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What’s wrong with ‘contacting’?

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Urmstongran Thu 05-Oct-23 17:39:06

So many seem to be ‘reaching out’ these days? It sounds overly needy to me.

Blossoming Thu 05-Oct-23 17:40:56

I don’t like it, especially when used in business communications. It sounds so unprofessional.

crazyH Thu 05-Oct-23 17:46:50

The only ‘reaching out’ I do is when my little grandson stands 3 steps from the bottom of the staircase and shouts ‘catch me nanny’ x

Desdemona Thu 05-Oct-23 17:53:08

Another modern crappy phrase...such things come and go. I must try to think of some from the seventies.

Lets all think of some.

silverlining48 Thu 05-Oct-23 17:55:23

I dislike ‘ grabbing’ grab this grab that…

Georgesgran Thu 05-Oct-23 18:01:36

Octopus have thanked me for reaching out to them - it’s a bl**dy complaint, not a compliment!

LadyGaGa Thu 05-Oct-23 18:01:58

‘Go for food’ instead of ‘going out for a meal’

BigBertha1 Thu 05-Oct-23 18:05:24

I hate it too but not quite as much as 'Can I get'!

LadyGaGa Thu 05-Oct-23 18:05:46

Yes silverlining48 it’s even worse when my AC say. ‘We’re just going to grab some food’ 😝

glammanana Thu 05-Oct-23 18:33:08

Can I get instead of May I have and this new one My Bad instead of My mistake whats it all about I ask ?

Marydoll Thu 05-Oct-23 18:46:09

Language evolves all the time. It doesn't really bother to me.

Cabbie21 Thu 05-Oct-23 19:51:58

I agree that all the above are degrading the language.
I am pleased that my 15 year old grandson always says Please may I have…? Even to a waitress in a restaurant. No getting or grabbing.

Casdon Thu 05-Oct-23 20:11:14

I agree with Marydoll, language evolves constantly so what’s not to like (sorry to the purists, that’s another expression you frown on I’m sure).
I particularly like ‘my bad’, it doesn’t just mean a mistake - it’s an apology, an admission of guilt, a regret for a poor decision, and it’s sincere.
I’m with Urmstongran on ‘reaching out’ though, it sounds so false.

Marydoll Thu 05-Oct-23 20:21:07

Believe it or not, I'm a pedant, so I should be bothered. However, I have always had a love of languages and and interest how they develop.

I once had to translate a part of the The Faerie Queene, as part of an assignment, there were very few words, anyone would recognise today. That what happens.
Social media also plays a part in language evolution. Nowadays, few have time to write novellas, like wot I do!. wink

Marydoll Thu 05-Oct-23 20:21:56

I should proof read before posting! 😂

Urmstongran Thu 05-Oct-23 20:22:55

I just think ‘reaching out’ sounds so supplicatory. It irritates me. Bit false as you say Casdon. I seem to be hearing it/reading it a lot recently. It’ll pass eventually I dare say!

Deedaa Thu 05-Oct-23 20:25:23

If people aren't "reaching out" they're "opening up". Whatever happened to talking?

Urmstongran Thu 05-Oct-23 20:42:05

Deedaa 🤣

Grammaretto Thu 05-Oct-23 20:53:30

People who pass rather than die
I don't like reaching out either
Or my bad squirm

I know language evolves but can't help my reaction.

We had fab and smashing, groovy, trendy and grotty. I daresay it sounded weird to our parents.

Caravansera Thu 05-Oct-23 21:08:55

This kind of thread always interests me. Words, expressions and usage that people bridle at have often been around for a very long time.

Contact and reach out did have different meanings; one to get in touch with another person and the other to offer sympathy and support.

However, some people might be surprised to learn that reach out is older than contact. The latter, in the context of getting in touch with another person (rather than two inanimate objects touching), only dates from the 1920s. It was initially used colloquially in the US. English writers did not approve of it.

1935 A.P. Herbert A charming lady in the publicity business shocked me when we parted by saying ‘It has been such fun contacting you.’

By contrast, reach out: of the mind and spirit, to offer sympathy, support, assistance, or understanding.

Earliest example of this context is 377 years old, from Peter Bulkeley from his Gospel Covenant published in London in 1646. Bulkeley was born in Bedfordshire, a graduate and fellow of St John’s College, Cambridge. He was an influential early Puritan minister who left England in 1635 for greater religious freedom in the American colony of Massachusetts and was a founder of the famous town of Concord.

It’s another example of language being taken to the New World by English settlers and returning later.

Earlier examples of reaching out tend to relate to the mind and spirit. The first recorded example in the context of physically addressing others dates from 1912, so it still predates the use of contact.

1912 Groups and agencies which are planning to reach out to low-income families with educational efforts in the area of sound family life. Publ. U.S. Children's Bureau

The first recorded non-literary use of contact was in the Manchester Guardian in 1938.

1938 Will you please retain your ticket until you have contacted Mr. ——.

In modern day usage reach out and contact have become synonymous. As MaryDoll says, language evolves.

Grammatically, it is considered completely acceptable to use can and may interchangeably in the context of seeking permission. Their meanings have overlapped since at least the 1800s.

Earliest written use of get: to obtain a simple direct object, dates from the 1300s.

One dictionary definition of mistake is: something chosen through an error of judgement; a badly selected thing, a regrettable choice. This differs from a mistake which is accidental. The evolution of bad as an admission of an error of judgement seems entirely plausible.

Open up in the sense of disclosing, to unburden oneself, has been around since the early 1600s.

winterwhite Thu 05-Oct-23 21:22:54

Reach out in Caravansera’s long post above has a far broader meaning than contact. Not the same sense at all.

Language changes but change isn’t always for the better. Nothing wrong with finding Can I get and Let’s grab a bit uncouth.

Casdon Thu 05-Oct-23 21:36:10

I think traditionalists will always have said that language changes aren’t for the better, but they aren’t something that can be controlled, it’s common usage that changes the language. Like it or lump it is probably the best analogy.

MerylStreep Thu 05-Oct-23 21:36:11

glammanana

*Can I get* instead of May I have and this new one My Bad instead of My mistake whats it all about I ask ?

My bad isn’t new It’s been used by the black community for many years.

Jaxjacky Thu 05-Oct-23 21:39:21

Octopus should have ‘reach out, I’ll be there’ as its holding music!

Caravansera Thu 05-Oct-23 21:44:27

I did say that they differed originally but are now considered synonymous.

What did people use for describing contact with another person more than 100 years ago if contact only came into use with its modern day meaning in the 1920s (and then only colloquailly). To write to, to speak to, to meet doesn't give any flavour of the purpose.

Whether change is better or worse is subjective. I love that language is rich and changing constantly.

Here's a quote from Jean Aitchison's book Language Change: Progress or Decay? She is Professor Emerita of Language and Communication in the Faculty of English Language and Literature at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Worcester College, Oxford.

Hatred toward Change

The puristic attitude towards language - the idea that there is an absolute standard of correctness which should be maintained - has its origin in natural nostalgic tendency, supplemented and intensified by social pressures.