Reach out always makes me think if the Four Tops and their 1960s hit. It’s taken a long time to catch on!
Last letters become first - March 26
So many seem to be ‘reaching out’ these days? It sounds overly needy to me.
Reach out always makes me think if the Four Tops and their 1960s hit. It’s taken a long time to catch on!
I reach out and get my little cat who likes to sit on the roof and miaow until I come and get her. I thought contact was something sticky you cover books with.
Reaching out implies that you are asking for help, it’s a much more positive “spin” to put on a complaint, therefore the agents dealing with you have a more positive image of their job.
Jargon is everywhere and is constantly evolving no point in trying to change that just go with the flow.
Wow Caravansera! Your postings (always worth reading) are so illuminating on this topic. Thank you for taking an interest. Every day is a school day on GN. Another reason I love it!
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I once heard it said that the only people that should reach out are the Four Tops.
Now that I like FoghornLeghorn! Made me laugh. Very clever!
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Not surprisingly, I am enjoying this interesting and knowledgeable thread.
Thank to those, who have contributed.
Americanisms sometimes sound odd to us:-
(of a store) where I "trade" rather than shop
Will you "work with me" rather than co-operate (or cooperate as Americans spell it)
To a shop assistant "can you wait on me" rather than help or serve me
"at this time" rather than now
"our facility" rather than our shop/factory/office
And of course in USA everything is "shipped" regardless of what method it is transported by.
I once heard it said that the only people that should reach out are the Four Tops.
Thanks for reaching out
I's one of those naff corporate / management-speak phrases that probably evolved during a blue-sky
brainstorming session...
... along with the your call is important to us.
I'm not sure, but I believe I read somewhere that it originated in the USA. No comment.
When you do "reach out", some companies and organisations give the impression that they'd really rather you hadn't.
I've no objection to an evolving language - but I don't like someone attempting to bamboozle me with phony, touchy-feely phrases.
If they really wanted you to reach out because your call is important to them, they'd employ more staff to answer calls so that you didn't have to press 1 / 2 /3 or more and be held in a bloody queue.
... I've typed dissertations on here while I've been held in some queues waiting for someone who believes my call is important to darned well answer it!
I agree that language is fascinating - and those phrases that grate on me will be the norm, and my grandchildren will find others that grate on my children. And long may it continue!
I like the variations in word usage. It's always happened.
Interesting. Write - transitive. To communicate (information, greetings, etc.) by letter; to send (a message) in writing. Typically with the recipient specified as an indirect object, or in a prepositional phrase introduced by to, unto.
These examples appear in the OED. I've omitted the attributions.
1561 He wrott vnto the Duke,..he would..put a medicin vpon his gunnstones.
1598 He writes me here that [etc.].
1616 They wrot me how the Portingals had 4 gallions.
1662 Alexander..writ word to his Mother he had found out [etc.].
a1706 She writes me..what Conflicts she had indur'd.
1769 Your brother writ me an account of your fatal falling away.
1833 I had..written to Rose how we had best start agitating.
1850 You will..write me word how it looks.
1875 [She] writes me that she is very much better.
1957 We have heard: his Secy writes that he is out of town but implies that he will be back before our date.
2014 ‘I think he adds to the gaiety of nations,’ Paxman wrote to me in an e-mail.
The language evolves but it can go back again. Words once defunct appear again
I write text an American cousin whose expressions sound quaint to me
She talks about how she should write someone, not write to someone
.I recently came across a letter from the 1930s and English people were not writing to.
.. and then only colloquially ... nothing to do with quails.
I did say that they differed originally but are now considered synonymous.
What did people use for describing contact with another person more than 100 years ago if contact only came into use with its modern day meaning in the 1920s (and then only colloquailly). To write to, to speak to, to meet doesn't give any flavour of the purpose.
Whether change is better or worse is subjective. I love that language is rich and changing constantly.
Here's a quote from Jean Aitchison's book Language Change: Progress or Decay? She is Professor Emerita of Language and Communication in the Faculty of English Language and Literature at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Worcester College, Oxford.
Hatred toward Change
The puristic attitude towards language - the idea that there is an absolute standard of correctness which should be maintained - has its origin in natural nostalgic tendency, supplemented and intensified by social pressures.
Octopus should have ‘reach out, I’ll be there’ as its holding music!
glammanana
*Can I get* instead of May I have and this new one My Bad instead of My mistake whats it all about I ask ?
My bad isn’t new It’s been used by the black community for many years.
I think traditionalists will always have said that language changes aren’t for the better, but they aren’t something that can be controlled, it’s common usage that changes the language. Like it or lump it is probably the best analogy.
Reach out in Caravansera’s long post above has a far broader meaning than contact. Not the same sense at all.
Language changes but change isn’t always for the better. Nothing wrong with finding Can I get and Let’s grab a bit uncouth.
This kind of thread always interests me. Words, expressions and usage that people bridle at have often been around for a very long time.
Contact and reach out did have different meanings; one to get in touch with another person and the other to offer sympathy and support.
However, some people might be surprised to learn that reach out is older than contact. The latter, in the context of getting in touch with another person (rather than two inanimate objects touching), only dates from the 1920s. It was initially used colloquially in the US. English writers did not approve of it.
1935 A.P. Herbert A charming lady in the publicity business shocked me when we parted by saying ‘It has been such fun contacting you.’
By contrast, reach out: of the mind and spirit, to offer sympathy, support, assistance, or understanding.
Earliest example of this context is 377 years old, from Peter Bulkeley from his Gospel Covenant published in London in 1646. Bulkeley was born in Bedfordshire, a graduate and fellow of St John’s College, Cambridge. He was an influential early Puritan minister who left England in 1635 for greater religious freedom in the American colony of Massachusetts and was a founder of the famous town of Concord.
It’s another example of language being taken to the New World by English settlers and returning later.
Earlier examples of reaching out tend to relate to the mind and spirit. The first recorded example in the context of physically addressing others dates from 1912, so it still predates the use of contact.
1912 Groups and agencies which are planning to reach out to low-income families with educational efforts in the area of sound family life. Publ. U.S. Children's Bureau
The first recorded non-literary use of contact was in the Manchester Guardian in 1938.
1938 Will you please retain your ticket until you have contacted Mr. ——.
In modern day usage reach out and contact have become synonymous. As MaryDoll says, language evolves.
Grammatically, it is considered completely acceptable to use can and may interchangeably in the context of seeking permission. Their meanings have overlapped since at least the 1800s.
Earliest written use of get: to obtain a simple direct object, dates from the 1300s.
One dictionary definition of mistake is: something chosen through an error of judgement; a badly selected thing, a regrettable choice. This differs from a mistake which is accidental. The evolution of bad as an admission of an error of judgement seems entirely plausible.
Open up in the sense of disclosing, to unburden oneself, has been around since the early 1600s.
People who pass rather than die
I don't like reaching out either
Or my bad squirm
I know language evolves but can't help my reaction.
We had fab and smashing, groovy, trendy and grotty. I daresay it sounded weird to our parents.
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If people aren't "reaching out" they're "opening up". Whatever happened to talking?
I just think ‘reaching out’ sounds so supplicatory. It irritates me. Bit false as you say Casdon. I seem to be hearing it/reading it a lot recently. It’ll pass eventually I dare say!
I should proof read before posting! 😂
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