Woman of the Year

Maybe our rational arguments have been goading Doodledog.

No, I said 'goady', not 'goaded'. There is a difference.

Frilly knickers? Not caring about the Middle East? Laydees? Swearing doesn't bother me in the slightest, but it is not the norm on here, so that is potentially goady too.

They're deliberate digs at people who happen to hold a different view from yours about male bodies in female spaces - a perfectly legal view that's been tested in court.

Who was goading you?

Doodledog

You are being deliberately goady now, and you know it.

Patronise as much as you like, but it won't make your argument any less hysterical (see, I can do sexist too).

You are doubles correct that I was getting ‘goads’ Doodle. I love the way you put that, and the fact that you had the nous to realise it was deliberate.

Fair does.

They are all aggressive young men in balaclavas at these rallies as well. They are doing more damage to trans people than women are

Doodledog

My womanhood is threatened by nobody. All women's rights, on the other hand, were hard won and would be easily lost.

My womanhood is intact without having to lie about it or needing others to support a lie.
I’m fascinated by the VS implications that those who support women’s rights don’t care for trans.
The difference is that I support the right to be trans, not the lying that is involved, by TW taking female sporting awards, awards for women, and accessing female safe spaces.

Like you Doodledog, my womanhood isn't threatened by anyone either and as has already been discussed on this thread, you don't have to be personally affected by something to stand against it.

VioletSky

Quokka

No my womanhood is not threatened by trans women either, if anything I feel held up by many trans women out there because they have been at the front lines fighting for LGB rights from the beginning

In that case you have to wonder why it took until 2015 to add the T to LGB for Stonewall? Was it maybe because it’s a myth about the trans woman starting the original riot? Listen to Fred Sargeant who was actually there.

My womanhood is threatened by nobody. All women's rights, on the other hand, were hard won and would be easily lost.

Quokka

No my womanhood is not threatened by trans women either, if anything I feel held up by many trans women out there because they have been at the front lines fighting for LGB rights from the beginning

I'm good at multi tasking and multi thinking too.

Exactly Madgran. It's obvious what point is being made here and I don't see what type of underwear we may or may not be wearing has to do with it.

A long time since mine were little too Doodle and they were never frilly.

Galaxy

Yes the sexism doesnt take long to surface does it.

No, and anyway, it's a long time since my knickers were little .

It's so difficult as a girlie - I can't think about two things at once, and when I get an idea in my head I get into such a twist. Men have a much better time being able to be rational and calm, don't they? 😢

Yes the sexism doesnt take long to surface does it.

I am able to think about what I want for tea and the situation in Ukraine, I am sorry if you are unable to do the same.

You are being deliberately goady now, and you know it.

Patronise as much as you like, but it won't make your argument any less hysterical (see, I can do sexist too).

Quokka

Doodledog

Couldn't agree more Quokka. But can you explain what that has to do with sexuality please?

Wrong word Doodle I know!

I was so incensed with all those frilly little knickers being in such a twist!

Doodledog

Couldn't agree more Quokka. But can you explain what that has to do with sexuality please?

Wrong word Doodle I know!

I couldn’t give a damn is some man wants to call himself a woman. I do give a damn about the war in the Middle East, Ukraine, domestic violence.

They DO impinge on my mental well being. Do they not do that to most of us? I worry about the state of the world. So do many. Innocents being killed on all sides. The possibility of escalation. The state of the planet. Trump. And so on.

Let’s get things in proportion. It’s only a man wanting/pretending/trying to be a woman. So what?

Quokka

What the fuck are you all doing comparing transgender with domestic violence, Hamas, and all the evils perpetrated (usually) by men. Get a grip laydees!

Noone is comparing per se. It was the wider issue of not saying/doing anything if something does not impact on one personally ...was the point being made!!

Couldn't agree more Quokka. But can you explain what that has to do with sexuality please?

If my grandson suddenly wants to wear a dress and call himself Susan that’s OK. If he dons a uniform, picks up a sub machine gun and starts shooting people that’s not ok.

But it's not about sexuality, that is who you are attracted to, it is not the same thing.

What the fuck are you all doing comparing transgender with domestic violence, Hamas, and all the evils perpetrated (usually) by men. Get a grip laydees!

Galaxy

Domestic violence doesn't impinge on my every day life, prostitution doesn't impinge on my every day life, they are still things I hold views on.

Huge difference between violence and sexuality. Or do you take ‘erased’ to mean something else?

That's very interesting Mollygo and I can see how it can fit in some cases, but not those where so called trans women retain male genitalia, or those who simply identify as women when all they do is dress in what they consider to be women's clothes etc.

On the radio this morning I learned about Delusional Misidentification Syndromes, a group of delusional disorders that occur in the context of mental and neurological illness.
They all involve a belief that the identity of a person, object, or place has somehow changed or has been altered.
Fits here.