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The return of David Cameron

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LilyoftheValley Mon 13-Nov-23 15:09:00

What a very clever move indeed to bring David Cameron back into the Cabinet. Tories all must be shaking in their boots with a General Election nigh and the shambolic government at present.

David Cameron was respected by a great many people and his return must give a much needed boost to Tory morale. The chap has a backbone.

Casdon Mon 13-Nov-23 17:24:06

They might bring back David Milliband GermanShepherdsmum. I mean, he won’t have to secure a seat and be re-elected, they could just make him a Lord, it’s easy.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Nov-23 17:20:25

Absolutely right Primrose. But for the time being (and I hope for a long time to come) blue will have to suffice. I actually can’t think of anyone in the shadow cabinet who could do the job, especially in the current climate. What experience do they have to offer?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 17:17:11

Primrose53

Germanshepherdsmum

So who else would you suggest who has the experience and diplomatic skills to deal with what’s happening in the world?

I think whitewavemark2 would only welcome anybody with a red rosette. 🤣

Of course!

Primrose53 Mon 13-Nov-23 17:15:50

Germanshepherdsmum

So who else would you suggest who has the experience and diplomatic skills to deal with what’s happening in the world?

I think whitewavemark2 would only welcome anybody with a red rosette. 🤣

MayBee70 Mon 13-Nov-23 17:00:56

Let’s not forget that Cameron presided over austerity, the effects of which are still being felt. Supposedly he didn’t make as many millions out of Greensill as he was expected to. His involvement with that isn’t going away, is it. They’re already questioning him about it. Speaker isn’t happy, either.

Forlornhope Mon 13-Nov-23 17:00:12

LilyoftheValley

What a very clever move indeed to bring David Cameron back into the Cabinet. Tories all must be shaking in their boots with a General Election nigh and the shambolic government at present.

David Cameron was respected by a great many people and his return must give a much needed boost to Tory morale. The chap has a backbone.

Really?! All those women in their mid fifties made redundant in 2010 & 2011 may well think differently. Their occupational pensions not accessible until 60 or 65 and the state pension even further away. And that’s not even touching on the shambles of his later years as PM.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 16:54:17

Germanshepherdsmum

Just because someone is elected an MP by their constituents, it doesn’t follow that they are suited for one of the great Offices of State, especially in times such as we have now. MPs are elected to serve their constituents.

Theresa May has imho a good Home Secretary but at the risk of sounding sexist I don’t think a woman is best suited to dealing with the Ukraine, Putin, Hamas and Netanyahu.

Blimey

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 16:53:47

I don’t think it will make a blind bit of difference to the polls.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Nov-23 16:52:22

Just because someone is elected an MP by their constituents, it doesn’t follow that they are suited for one of the great Offices of State, especially in times such as we have now. MPs are elected to serve their constituents.

Theresa May has imho a good Home Secretary but at the risk of sounding sexist I don’t think a woman is best suited to dealing with the Ukraine, Putin, Hamas and Netanyahu.

MaizieD Mon 13-Nov-23 16:51:34

I think, too, that Theresa May would have been fine.

Cadenza123 Mon 13-Nov-23 16:50:37

No wonder Cameron's looking like the cat has got the cream. Life peerage and another bite at the cherry. GE can't come soon enough.

Siope Mon 13-Nov-23 16:49:25

Don’t you think that given what is happening in Ukraine…

That’d be Cameron who appeared happy with Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine and annexation of the Crimea? Can’t imagine Zelenskyy is overly chuffed to see him back.

and the Middle East.

which is still paying the price for his disastrous intervention in Libya, and where he is widely known as pro-Saudi, which will alienate many in the region (and in Parliament).

I think it’s a divisive move; it signals clearly that Sunak is valuing ‘blue wall’ seats over those in the ‘red wall’; Cameron is despised by the right wing of the Parliamentary party; he had - and may still have - a much more pro-China viewpoint than many Tory MPs; and he still has Greensill hanging over him (see: relationship with Saudi Arabia).

And that’s without his poor track record of working with Europe and the USA.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 16:47:34

Germanshepherdsmum

So who else would you suggest who has the experience and diplomatic skills to deal with what’s happening in the world?

Surely they’ve got someone else! It not then what on earth does it say about the quality of the MPs?

Theresa May? At least she has no scandal attached to her. (As far as we know- although nothing would surprise me these days)

MerylStreep Mon 13-Nov-23 16:42:50

The fraud office are still investigating Greensill Capitol.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Nov-23 16:31:23

So who else would you suggest who has the experience and diplomatic skills to deal with what’s happening in the world?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 16:29:24

He has been implicated in a financial scandal and lobbying scandal.

So with the years of unnecessary austerity, the shambles of Brexit and scandal.

No it isn’t a good move.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Nov-23 16:20:05

CvD66

What an insult to 348 (excl Sunak & Braverman) Tory MPs that the PM does not consider any of them are ‘good enough’ to serve as Foreign Secretary. As many have commented, serving from the Lords, Cameron won't be subject to MPs questions. Just how weak/scared/stupid is the current PM?

Don’t you think that given what is happening in Ukraine and the Middle East someone of known standing on the international stage is needed for this post? This is a bold and visionary move by Sunak and something he has obviously been considering for some time, whilst people were criticising him as weak for not sacking Braverman. It wouldn’t have happened overnight. Sunak is not weak, scared or stupid.

winterwhite Mon 13-Nov-23 16:08:16

I agree with the falling on his sword team rather than the taking to the hills brigade.

The real damage was allowing the 'advisory' referendum with its tight result to become the inviolable will of the people. That was the fault of Teresa May not David Cameron.

I believe that as well as experience DC has strong diplomatic skills and the ability to be a unifier.

Are there no precedents for Secretaries of State sitting in the Lords? Rosebery, Salisbury, Douglas Home...?

All in all I think it a shrewd move - not that I want the tories to win the next election.🤦🏼‍♀️

TerriBull Mon 13-Nov-23 15:59:53

Oh just the worst of lightweights, the PM who said he was going to put a stop to lobbying and then becomes one himself for a big fat payout. Now we learn he's Lord Cameron, I was rather hoping he'd have to become an MP again stand in a designated constituency and lose the seat. No such luck!

Cadenza123 Mon 13-Nov-23 15:51:47

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67401551 The same David Cameron? Excellent appointment.

pascal30 Mon 13-Nov-23 15:48:21

No wonder he reneged on his former proposals to reform the House of Lords!!

Casdon Mon 13-Nov-23 15:46:35

Politics Joe take on Cameron 4 years ago. I’m not sure he’s rehabilitated himself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atku5LWhjog
Not a watch for the faint hearted or easily offended, but unerringly hits the nail on the head.

Fleurpepper Mon 13-Nov-23 15:46:26

Ziplok

I’m afraid I don’t agree. He messed up the remain campaign big time, left an unholy mess behind him when he took his ball home and resigned and which we are still trying to recover from now.

How could he possibly help with addressing the disaster of Brexit?

BlueBelle Mon 13-Nov-23 15:42:35

No backbone at all he ran off to make more money elsewhere after he effed up Brexit …..a weasel

Ziplok Mon 13-Nov-23 15:37:48

Very true, Smileless2012. I can’t abide the man.