Endometriosis charity appoints trans woman as the new head of the organisation.

Rosie51

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I think that Callistemon is correct in that the 29 cases of endo. in men will be world wide. When I looked into this, I found it was extremely rare with only a handful of reported cases in medical literature.

Steph didn't provide any validating information to support this claim.

Once again it will be transmen she is referring to. Men are no longer just people assigned male at birth but include transmen, and that's one reason why the whole subject isn't just a women's issue.
People are changing. It isn't just men.

I'm pretty sure Steph meant men of the male variety. Those observed to be male at birth, not 'assigned' as some would have it. I do wonder what criteria the 'assigned believers' think midwives use when 'assigning' sex.....do they insist on equal numbers each day, alternate between male and female, throw a die and odd numbers are males even numbers get to be female?

It's a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters by those, like Steph, who hold that men, women - and even children are just social-constructs.

Gender and sex are not synonymous and sex, except in rare cases, is observed at birth, not flippin' well assigned.

Assigning sex is another subtle attempt at an Orwellian change of language to suit an agenda. And part of that agenda is to force the majority to accept that if a man decides he's a woman, biological sex can be denied because he says so. That is why you see written on the placards of some TW activists references to their "girl dicks". Some even go so far (if you read the literature) as to assert that a penis is a female sex organ. He has assigned it so!

And asserting that children are social constructs is, IMO, dangerous. Though I think that Steph might be in a minority holding that ridiculous belief.

Glorianny
I know it is hard for some t understand but for transpeople, women includes natal women and transwomen and men includes transmen and natal men.

It’s not hard for anyone to understand that people will use the language which suits their purpose, even if that includes lying by implication, that they have changed sex.

What’s hard to understand is why one group of people expect others to accept their lies. Transwomen are male - AHM -MEN.
Transmen are female - AHF- WOMEN.

Saying or implying anything different is a lie. Evidently some people are willing to lie or accept lies if it suits their purpose.

It’s quite strange, the women and men I know do not insist that they are men or women; the only trans I know do not insist they have changed sex and must be called by different words or pronouns. It simply doesn’t come up in conversation, so no lying or expectation of lies being believed.

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I disagree Glorianny. I had no idea how many women suffer from endo. I've no idea how many women are trans men but I very much doubt that only 29 trans men ie women suffer from with this condition, so I googled it.

I've just googled it. 1 in 10 women between the age of puberty and menopause have endo. That's 1.5 million, the same number of women who have diabetes, so what are the odds than only 29 of that 1.5 million are trans men?

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I didn't mean that the 29 are transmen. I meant that when referring to men Steph will use the term men to cover men and transmen, of course she will.
I know it is hard for some t understand but for transpeople, women includes natal women and transwomen and men includes transmen and natal men.

So when Steph mentioned 29 men having endometriosis then Steph was definitely making a distinction between men and transmen, as that number only applies to the affected males. Is it only Steph who is allowed to use men to mean males only?
I'll take this opportunity to repost an earlier point I made

This is a direct quote from one of Steph's tweets Many gynaecologists are men - I don't see any headlines about them. Some midwives are men - I don't see any headlines about them either. And how about the male paramedic who may deal with miscarriage or prolapse - there are no headlines about them either. Am I wrong?

No, I am not.

It would appear Steph identifies in the same group as the men referred to in the quote. Freudian slip, or a bit of honesty?

That's neither here nor there Glorianny. If the 29 includes men and trans men, that makes it even more unlikely that the figure is only 29.

No, I don't think we find it's difficult

However, you did seem to find it difficult to understand what I meant, which seemed fairly straightforward.

Smileless2012

I disagree Glorianny. I had no idea how many women suffer from endo. I've no idea how many women are trans men but I very much doubt that only 29 trans men ie women suffer from with this condition, so I googled it.

I've just googled it. 1 in 10 women between the age of puberty and menopause have endo. That's 1.5 million, the same number of women who have diabetes, so what are the odds than only 29 of that 1.5 million are trans men?

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I didn't mean that the 29 are transmen. I meant that when referring to men Steph will use the term men to cover men and transmen, of course she will.
I know it is hard for some t understand but for transpeople, women includes natal women and transwomen and men includes transmen and natal men.

Smileless2012

I disagree Glorianny. I had no idea how many women suffer from endo. I've no idea how many women are trans men but I very much doubt that only 29 trans men ie women suffer from with this condition, so I googled it.

I've just googled it. 1 in 10 women between the age of puberty and menopause have endo. That's 1.5 million, the same number of women who have diabetes, so what are the odds than only 29 of that 1.5 million are trans men?

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I meant XY men, and cases are extremely rare but not unheard of.

I disagree Glorianny. I had no idea how many women suffer from endo. I've no idea how many women are trans men but I very much doubt that only 29 trans men ie women suffer from with this condition, so I googled it.

I've just googled it. 1 in 10 women between the age of puberty and menopause have endo. That's 1.5 million, the same number of women who have diabetes, so what are the odds than only 29 of that 1.5 million are trans men?

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Iam64

Oh MEN - wot are they?

Those sometimes awkward creatures who often like to be in charge of everything.

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I think that Callistemon is correct in that the 29 cases of endo. in men will be world wide. When I looked into this, I found it was extremely rare with only a handful of reported cases in medical literature.

Steph didn't provide any validating information to support this claim.

Once again it will be transmen she is referring to. Men are no longer just people assigned male at birth but include transmen, and that's one reason why the whole subject isn't just a women's issue.
People are changing. It isn't just men.

I'm pretty sure Steph meant men of the male variety. Those observed to be male at birth, not 'assigned' as some would have it. I do wonder what criteria the 'assigned believers' think midwives use when 'assigning' sex.....do they insist on equal numbers each day, alternate between male and female, throw a die and odd numbers are males even numbers get to be female?

With a few rare exceptions endometriosis only affects female bodies. So if the word woman is such a stumbling block for Steph and co (except of course when self-describing) then target the support to women and transmen.

Oh MEN - wot are they?

Or told what we're referring to when we're not.

When I said men I meant men.

Well researched there Callistemon. Oddly enough, I assumed this related to people born as men rather than trans men. We don’t all need patronising do we

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I think that Callistemon is correct in that the 29 cases of endo. in men will be world wide. When I looked into this, I found it was extremely rare with only a handful of reported cases in medical literature.

Steph didn't provide any validating information to support this claim.

Once again it will be transmen she is referring to. Men are no longer just people assigned male at birth but include transmen, and that's one reason why the whole subject isn't just a women's issue.
People are changing. It isn't just men.

Once again it will be transmen she is referring to.

No, I'm not, Glorianny

It's very rare indeed but can be caused in men by liver damage.

Smileless2012

I think that Callistemon is correct in that the 29 cases of endo. in men will be world wide. When I looked into this, I found it was extremely rare with only a handful of reported cases in medical literature.

Steph didn't provide any validating information to support this claim.

Once again it will be transmen she is referring to. Men are no longer just people assigned male at birth but include transmen, and that's one reason why the whole subject isn't just a women's issue.
People are changing. It isn't just men.

Doodledog

It is because the trans movement has succeeded in confusing sex with gender in the minds of many that this has become an issue. If Steph 'identified' as a man, nobody would have batted an eyelid.

Good point, Doodledog.

It is not in this instance the male body that is the problem.

It is that "female brain" that Steph insists she has that directs her to stumble over the word, 'woman' and finds difficulty in comprehending that "so-called males" are, in fact, men.

Women being erased and other women supporting it with their virtue signalling rubbish. Careful what you wish for…

I think that Callistemon is correct in that the 29 cases of endo. in men will be world wide. When I looked into this, I found it was extremely rare with only a handful of reported cases in medical literature.

Steph didn't provide any validating information to support this claim.

It is because the trans movement has succeeded in confusing sex with gender in the minds of many that this has become an issue. If Steph 'identified' as a man, nobody would have batted an eyelid.

people keep harking on about female consultants being in charge of male medical conditions... the point is - do any of them ever say - you know there are 29 women with prostate problems? ...no they deal with their job properly knowing that one half of the human race potentially suffer from the condition, so concentrate on them. They are not obsessed with their trans identity. which is NOT the aim of the charity.

I think that’s the only issue most people have. There has been a lot of jumping to conclusions about this, with people accusing others of transphobia simply for asking questions about Steph, but in most cases the fact that Steph is male-bodied isn’t the issue. It was a political appointment designed to get publicity for a tiny charity which has a local reach and is already positioned as trans-supportive. All the accusations and assumptions are doing is fuelling that publicity.

The head of the Prostate Cancer charity is a woman - it seems to work fine.
My only issue with Steph is that she won't acknowledge that endometriosis is a problem for women. She won't use the term 'woman', which I find insulting.

To be non-binary is to acknowledge the binary. Now we have a new binary, those that accept the truth of binary sex classes and those that don't. So they're still part of a binary........

Well you’re a perfectionist in being narrow minded and prejudiced Glorianny so I’m surprised you judge others.
But only females can give birth, so giving birth is a binary action, not the action of someone who claims to be neither male nor female.