Endometriosis charity appoints trans woman as the new head of the organisation.

At the bottom of the front page.

Funding research that will stop men dying from prostate cancer oh my goodness, someone should tell them it's people that die of prostate cancer, people!!

Opening page of Prostate Cancer UK

prostatecanceruk.org/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3uGqBhDdARIsAFeJ5r2fRLhLjR_KfBsoLyqTtoVt5--p4-U95xNIci0bc42pjSWznVKXaT8aAjnVEALw_wcB

Oh my, all those mentions of men! Not quite how you're painting them Glorianny

As I said women can be called women, transmen can be called transmen, non-binary people can be called non-binary. But the service is for people. Just because a majority are women does not mean the service should refer only to women.

But what you say won't matter, will it? Steph uses terms such as 'TERF's, 'menstruators' and 'so-called males'. Maybe have a word with Steph about what you say can happen?

It isn't radical to dictate what terms people use to refer to themselves or to refuse to recognise those terms.

As I said women can be called women, transmen can be called transmen, non-binary people can be called non-binary. But the service is for people. Just because a majority are women does not mean the service should refer only to women.

As I said it is nothing to do with women
From the Prostate Cancer site
Treatment for prostate cancer will depend on your individual circumstances. For many people with prostate cancer, no treatment will be necessary. (underlined so you can't miss it),
Really the offences some take are just not there.

Galaxy

Yes that's why older women and I actually include MN in that, are challenging this regressive sexist nonsense.

We're challenging misogyny by aggressive males, who think, because they claim to be women, they can just walk into the top jobs in any organisation by whatever means.

Unfortunately, there are some people who think they should have that right simply because they claim to be women and must therefore never be challenged.

Yes that's why older women and I actually include MN in that, are challenging this regressive sexist nonsense.

Callistemon21

NanKate

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

Rosie51, there are some on GN who might criticise your views on this, some who may think anyone who objects is out of step, an old fuddy-duddy etc.

However, there are posters on Mumsnet, where the demographic is probably younger, who agree with you.
One says that Petra's wife is a big cheese at local and national level so this sounds like nepotism too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820740-remember-petra-wenham-the-first-transwoman-to-be-on-the-wi-mag-cover

Prejudice has never been subject to age. Quite the reverse
Women grow radical with age. One day an army of gray-haired women may quietly take over the earth. Gloria Steinem.

No one is dictating what terms are acceptable, apart from those who don't want to be inclusive and cater for all people

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Rosie51

^Some people don't want to be called women^ As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

The majority of sufferers will be women.

Transmen will be a minority. As will the non-binary who don't appear to have been mentioned.

So your suggestion fits perfectly well. People gives entirely the wrong impression about this disease.

Rosie's suggestion is inclusive Glorrianny and manages to be so without eradicating the word women.

NanKate

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

Rosie51, there are some on GN who might criticise your views on this, some who may think anyone who objects is out of step, an old fuddy-duddy etc.

However, there are posters on Mumsnet, where the demographic is probably younger, who agree with you.
One says that Petra's wife is a big cheese at local and national level so this sounds like nepotism too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820740-remember-petra-wenham-the-first-transwoman-to-be-on-the-wi-mag-cover

Rosie51

^Some people don't want to be called women^ As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

Doesn't that mean that really women aren't classified as people?
I don't mind what people want to be called.
But if a service is for people why not just say so?

No one is dictating what terms are acceptable, apart from those who don't want to be inclusive and cater for all people, women, transmen and non-binary.

women and other people with endometriosis excellent suggestion.

I don’t think anyone will ever convince me that anyone but women can have endometriosis. Nor can anyone but men have prostrate cancer.
I’m quite happy for people to identify as whichever sex they wish but that does not make it so.

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

women and other people with endometriosis excellent suggestion Rosie. It doesn't amuse me Glorianny that because of how some trans women and some trans men choose to identify, that women should be referred too as people. That is not allowing women to be referred too how they wish.

Some people don't want to be called women As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

Glorianny I thought most people accepted that minorities still have rights. Isn't that what women were until very recently? Women's lack of rights had nothing to do with being a minority, and everything to do with the power of men. The push to deny women agency over their spaces, sports, awards etc etc is driven once more by men, those males that are just misogynists and those males who consider themselves to be 'women'. Having identified into an oppressed group some of these male 'women' think they should rule the roost and oppress the real women. Of course it helps when the oppressor is aided and abetted by members of the oppressed. Plus ça change.................

Smileless2012

Of course minorities have rights Glorianny but those rights should not be at the expense of others. There are women who use this particular organisation for support, who object to being referred too as people. What about their rights?

I'll ask what I always ask on any thread that discusses transgender, what rights are the transgender community being denied?

Individually they can be called women Smileless2012 that is their right.
But the service is provided for people.
Some people don't want to be called women.

It always amuses me that those who think that transmen are women, refuse nonetheless to allow them the right to identify as they wish. It's blatant discrimination. Only women who think or behave correctly are acceptable,. Twas always thus.

It'll blow over when the media circus moves on. 9f course, some activists will try to keep it alive but I doubt it's got legs.

Snap, Smileless

Of course minorities have rights Glorianny but those rights should not be at the expense of others. There are women who use this particular organisation for support, who object to being referred too as people. What about their rights?

I'll ask what I always ask on any thread that discusses transgender, what rights are the transgender community being denied?

I wondered how long it would be before insinuations of racism would start.

I agree that dictating to people what they aloud or shouldn't be called is inconsiderate - in fact I would go further than that. It is misogynistic to call women 'menstruators', and insulting to call men 'so-called males'. Colonisation of the language goes a lot deeper than trans rights - it is about denying the existence of other groups. Transpeople have rights - I've asked before on here which rights they are fighting for, but am always ignored, as the reality is that transpeople have more rights than the rest of us. They have all the legal rights that apply to British citizens plus the protection of the EOA and from hate crimes.

Women, OTOH, are losing the right to call themselves female, to have meetings with other women without male interference, to undress in exclusively female company, and even to have a Women's Institute without a male going straight to the top and forming policies about 'inclusion' (never mind that male presence excludes some women, and that the WI was set up as a female organisation).

As I said, I think that this is a storm in a teacup. It's a publicity stunt, using a very predominantly female condition as a hook to hang it on. Calling Steph a 'CEO' just makes the role seem more important than it is, and is another way of sending women the message that we can have nothing for ourselves. Giving the role to a man (or as Steph would have it a 'so-called male') would be very different, as would giving it to a transwoman who just got on with it instead of making a political point at the expense of the charity.

Dickens

Glorianny

As far as endometriosis is concerned might there not be some transmen who suffer? If so surely "people " is the correct pronoun. Or are some insisting that transmen must accept being described by the word women?
Isn't that actually endangering transmen who may not seek treatment because of this.

Or are some insisting that transmen must accept being described by the word women?

But you are insisting that women must accept losing their identity and accept being described by the word "people".

And transmen are a minority.

I thought most people accepted that minorities still have rights. Isn't that what women were until very recently?
Isn't that what black people still are in many places?

I don't object to anyone personally being referred to as a woman.
If you provide a service and that service covers a range of people then the correct term is people.
It's nothing to do with women's rights
Transwomen and non-binary people get prostate cancer.
Trans men and non-binary people can have endometriosis.
So both services should be offered to people
Honestly all this dictating to people what they should or shouldn't be permitted to call themselves is just inconsiderate.
By all means insist on being called a woman but leave others to make their own decisions, and if there are others involved in a service who choose different terms, well we are all people.

Having also suffered with it. I’ve no issues with it being a man has mine was male and military when I was going through it. But I do have an issue when he says that men suffer with it too. A man wearing a dress isn’t a woman top scientist’s have said only two sex’s

I suggest those interested in this subject give a listen to Emma Barnett’s interview on the subject on Radio 4 Woman’s Hour. I’ve no problem with somebody who hasn’t experienced a condition personally being able to represent, however I know that my understanding of things has deepened when I have been through something myself - def gives a different perspective & possibly greater compassion IMO. My problem would be around a representative of this organisation expressing any anti-women or hateful messages or who is reluctant to use the word ‘woman’ even. If that is the case, no matter how they identify, that person should not be given a voice in a majority women’s condition charity.