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fancythat Wed 20-Dec-23 16:23:56

This is currently being discussed on mumsnet.
I dont read much of what is written on there.
I am not sure what Gransnet will think.

Out of all the topics discussed on here, I think I have been most surprised by the amount of people who may agree with this?

At first I thought it wasnt a very timely topic, but it is about homelessness, so I think it is.

*Assisted suicide offered to homeless people in Canada
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I came across an article online about this earlier today and I’m shocked this is seen as acceptable by so many people in Canada. It’s advertised on the tv over there as if it’s a perfectly acceptable thing to do. The National Post is claiming that one third of Canadians think that it’s perfectly acceptable to approve medical assistance in dying ‘MAID’ to healthy people purely because they are impoverished. I find it really saddening.*

Galaxy Wed 20-Dec-23 22:41:58

Those decisions were made during covid in this country in terms of do not resuscitate orders. Mencap raised those concerns I am not sure what happened in terms of an investigation. I am afraid I dont have the faith that you have.

Callistemon21 Wed 20-Dec-23 22:43:57

Galaxy

Those decisions were made during covid in this country in terms of do not resuscitate orders. Mencap raised those concerns I am not sure what happened in terms of an investigation. I am afraid I dont have the faith that you have.

Yes, you're right.

CocoPops Wed 20-Dec-23 23:03:16

In NO way does simply being homeless fit the criteria for M.A.I.D. in Canada. For those of you wanting to read more about M.A.I.D. you can go to www.canada.ca and search for Forth Annual Report on M.A.I.D in 2022. CocoPops Canada

nanna8 Thu 21-Dec-23 02:21:52

Smacks of a certain regime where people with disabilities were euthanised. I find it hard to believe a wonderful country like Canada would even consider such a thing.

Siope Thu 21-Dec-23 09:48:03

It might, if it was happening or planned to happen, which it is not.

fancythat Thu 21-Dec-23 10:39:04

Apparently, 5% of all deaths in Canada is because of assisted dying.
Says GB News[which may or may not be accurate].

CocoPops Thu 21-Dec-23 17:01:12

If you look at the Government of Canada report ( see link in my message above) the figure for MAID deaths 2022 is 4.1% The report includes the diagnosis, age and sex of people who received MAID. A very comprehensive and most interesting report.

fancythat Fri 22-Dec-23 09:47:58

Thanks. I will take a look sometime after Christmas.

Visgir1 Fri 22-Dec-23 13:23:04

When we went to Vancover, I was surprised how many homeless there were.. But this...unbelievable.

MerylStreep Fri 22-Dec-23 13:28:01

nanna8

Smacks of a certain regime where people with disabilities were euthanised. I find it hard to believe a wonderful country like Canada would even consider such a thing.

It’s always the quiet ones you have to watch 😉

TerriBull Fri 22-Dec-23 13:47:26

I remember seeing a lot of homeless in Vancouver, like the US they go west where the climate is more temperate. When we moved on to Calgary where my cousin lives, I remember her telling me "those people would never survive a winter here far too harsh a climate, snow starts early as September"

Esmay Sun 24-Dec-23 13:29:53

A totally brutal attitude .
Recently, I've been really shocked at the increasing hostility towards people .
I thought that things were changing for the better , but they aren't
.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 24-Dec-23 13:43:14

pascal30

I find this absolutely horrifying..it reminds me of the way poor people in this country used to be treated as vagrants and somehow morally lacking... I can't imagine anything much worse than being without a safe, warm home..

Well, it doesn't remind me of that, but rather of Hitler's Germany, where the insane, homosexuals etc. etc. were put to death.

Grantanow Wed 27-Dec-23 11:29:51

I think CanandianGran's post above is a good antidote to a lot of ill-informed hysteria.

Kamiso Wed 27-Dec-23 12:11:09

CanadianGran

Answering as a Canadian. I hadn't seen this survey, or the headline, which was published last May. It does shock me, but I wonder who is answering the survey? I tried to find details on how the survey was conducted, and couldn't find any numbers. Was this done for shock value?

Anyone I know is supportive of the MAID (medical assistance in dying) program. There are very strict regulations now in place for this, as well there should be. Currently the program does not recognize mental illness as a terminal illness., so I sincerely doubt the rules would be extended to allow poverty as a terminal illness.
Anyone applying has to be approved by two doctors.

I feel there are safe limits in place that this process is not abused.

In fact lately there was just a case of a man selling 'suicide kits' on line, which caused an uproar and he has been charged with 14 counts of murder, so this is not tolerated in our court system.

And as for our PM being a facist; that's a pretty strong accusation. The Liberal party is centre-left, currently a minority government, with support coming from the left NDP party for most bills passed. Our current Conservative leader is very right of centre, bordering on radical.

I know the PM's popularity is sinking in the polls, and he has made many faux-pas but there is concern that there is no outstanding replacement for him, but the other choices for leader with the other parties could lead to populism (the NDP has never formed a government and most likely will not).

A voice for common sense and to calm the more hysterical.

I became cynical about so called polls when I witnessed one being taken by the staff exit of the extreme left wing council we had the misfortune to live under. Giving out a fortune for strange artworks, trips to extreme left wing dictatorships for local councillors, then slashing the meals on wheels budget with no conscience or compassion! The results were published in the local papers and used as factual evidence.

Galaxy Wed 27-Dec-23 12:12:53

Those who use the word hysterical in this way tend to not be able to cope with views different to their own.

fancythat Wed 27-Dec-23 12:56:17

Even if the polls are utterly wrong, it is still happening.

fancythat Wed 27-Dec-23 13:04:00

Thought I would add this link as some people like the Guardian articles.
www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws

People can take what they like from it. Or nothing.

MerylStreep Wed 27-Dec-23 13:19:09

I remember seeing a documentary on how Canadian police took some indigenous people out of town and left them there to freeze to death.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/25/darrell-night-who-exposed-canada-police-freezing-deaths-scandal-dies-at-56