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Anyone just watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? *GNHQ tweaked the title*

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sazz1 Mon 01-Jan-24 22:19:16

So sad watching this. My lovely local Post Office closed down because of it. It was owned by a lovely family and their son was accused of theft as he was the postmaster. He went to prison for 18 months. His mum told customers it was the new Horizon system but rumours spread that he was a thief. Nobody would use their little corner shop anymore and people were racist against them as they were an Asian family. He was the nicest, most efficient postmaster and was super fast with serving you. So very sad they lost their home and business.

nadateturbe Sun 07-Jan-24 18:55:09

Agree she needs punished Urmstongran.

merlotgran Sun 07-Jan-24 19:20:56

She should be charged with perverting the course of justice and stripped of her CBE. That goes for sidekick as well (apart from the CBE)

varian Sun 07-Jan-24 19:28:34

A.ll the postmasters / postmistresses who were either charged or made to pay "shortfalls" should be pardoned and recompensed.

The people employed either by the Post Office of Fujtsu, who lied, telling people that "no-one else has this problem" should be prosecuted

Urmstongran Sun 07-Jan-24 20:17:50

Michael Keegan, CEO of Fujitsu UK 2014-2015, and husband of Gillian Keegan, currently has a job in The Cabinet Office.

icanhandthemback Sun 07-Jan-24 20:38:46

Urmstongran

Michael Keegan, CEO of Fujitsu UK 2014-2015, and husband of Gillian Keegan, currently has a job in The Cabinet Office.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me. As one of the local politicians around here, she appears to back Southern Water and all their lies despite evidence floating in local waters. angry

TerriBull Sun 07-Jan-24 21:27:00

I do wonder, the character played by Will Mellor whose case went to court and in doing so incurred over £300,000 of court costs, had to declare himself bankrupt. Presumably he wasn't the only one who had to do that, I imagine they remain undischarged bankrupts, something that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been falsely accused. There are all manner of unfair ramifications that need to be addressed, the paltry amount some of them did receive was probably swallowed up in costs they incurred

nadateturbe Sun 07-Jan-24 21:33:28

Agree Terribull.

icanhandthemback Sun 07-Jan-24 23:21:02

TerriBull

I do wonder, the character played by Will Mellor whose case went to court and in doing so incurred over £300,000 of court costs, had to declare himself bankrupt. Presumably he wasn't the only one who had to do that, I imagine they remain undischarged bankrupts, something that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been falsely accused. There are all manner of unfair ramifications that need to be addressed, the paltry amount some of them did receive was probably swallowed up in costs they incurred

Nowadays you are normally discharged from Bankruptcy after 12 months after the Adjudicator declared you Bankrupt. It is an automatic process. It might be for longer but only if you are uncooperative. It is very different from when I worked for the Official Receiver 40 years ago!

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 08-Jan-24 10:27:38

There have been a few online interviews with the "actual" people and, apparently, more people are coming forward after the programme.

OldFrill Mon 08-Jan-24 12:05:46

The 38 degree petition to strip Paula Vennells of her CBE has topped 1 million, please sign/share if you haven't done so.

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?source=homepage&utm_medium=promotion&utm_source=homepage

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Jan-24 12:08:49

I have already OldFrill and don't agree with the views of some that signing this petition is a witch hunt or scapegoating because this is a petition asking (demanding) that this honour be rescinded as it is not deserved.

sodapop Mon 08-Jan-24 12:16:36

I just read that £135 million has been repaid to some Postmasters and lawyers have been paid £150 million.

Doodledog Mon 08-Jan-24 12:43:14

Callistemon21

I have already OldFrill and don't agree with the views of some that signing this petition is a witch hunt or scapegoating because this is a petition asking (demanding) that this honour be rescinded as it is not deserved.

A witch hunt? Surely that is ironic, given what happened to the innocent Postmasters? That was a witch hunt if ever there was one.

MaizieD Mon 08-Jan-24 12:45:59

Where have you read that, sodapop?

Lawyers are extremely expensive.

This is a very long read, but it explains how legal fees accumulated for the initial class action

www.thelawyer.com/how-justice-done-in-post-office-scandal/

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 08-Jan-24 12:51:10

If you watch the series, sodapop that was the only way they could challenge the Post Office and, in every case the Post Office pushed up the costs as much as possible.

The greatest error, it seems to me, was that everyone was considered guilty until they proved their innocence. I can see just the same thing happening with the DWP being able to have downloads of people's bank accounts. The idea that all computerised systems always give accurate results has got to be confronted. It all reminds me of the film Minority Report!

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jan-24 12:58:16

Are there any men in the U.K. not been made a Sir? All come out now but did nothing until Toby Jones played Mr. Bates. This shocking injustice has actually united the people of the U.K.

I note Sir Ed Davy is keeping a very low profile …

Pittcity Mon 08-Jan-24 13:34:28

Is the fact that Rishi is now investigating ways of reparation simply to gain votes?

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jan-24 13:43:33

Probably Pittcity. It’s election year after all…

Kim19 Mon 08-Jan-24 15:05:01

Rather sad that it takes a TV drama to achieve some further movement on the ongoing Post Office scandal. Fact is it needs daily mention or it will slip into the backwater yet again election or no election. I'm hoping like mad that some TV programmers will get in on the bandwagon and do a similar service for the poor souls who were transfused with faulty blood. Do we have no national moral standards any more?

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Jan-24 15:14:47

^Rather sad that it takes a TV drama to achieve some further movement on the ongoing Post Office scandal*

I agree. It is something that we've been aware of for years, many of us felt angry and distressed on behalf of those who were victims of a computer system then punished and victimised but Government(s) have looked the other way and ignored this.

TerriBull Mon 08-Jan-24 16:10:22

Thank you for claifying Icanhandthemback, I don't know anything about bankruptcy, once discharged are the debts written off?

The fact of the matter, is the Post Office stole these peoples' money, their life savings, money they had to raise from remortgaging, loans etc. Yes great isn't it, she Paula Vennells turns the Post Offices losses into profits, lumped into those figures, ill gotten gains accrued by deception, commonly known as fraud! Surely the committee that recommended her for a CBE must have known that!

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jan-24 16:12:24

“This Post Office scandal should end our fixation with big government
Perhaps it is time politicians – and the public – realised that state control is the most brutal and unpleasant form of ownership“

Matthew Lynn.
The Telegraph today.

silverlining48 Mon 08-Jan-24 16:14:01

The petition began some years ago with only about 300 signatures. .
When I signed last week there were about 1000 signatures and since then it has picked up incredibly quickly.
1, 000,000 im s few days is truly amazing,
It can’t be ignored and at last some notice is being taken.

fancythat Mon 08-Jan-24 16:14:11

Callistemon21

^Rather sad that it takes a TV drama to achieve some further movement on the ongoing Post Office scandal*

I agree. It is something that we've been aware of for years, many of us felt angry and distressed on behalf of those who were victims of a computer system then punished and victimised but Government(s) have looked the other way and ignored this.

I agree as well.

I wrote elsewhere that my faith has gone or going, on British justice and government[s].

Where was the collective force of all their MPs??

fancythat Mon 08-Jan-24 16:15:41

This shocking injustice has actually united the people of the U.K.

People around where I live, are certainly talking about it.