Breeding animals for money.

Although I always have rescue animals, like Callistemon21 I can see the value of responsible breeding as well. Several breeds of animals would have died out had it not been for caring breeders.
It has to be an economically viable business and I don't have a problem with that provided it's registered and regulated.

That's awful about those poor German shepherds (one of my big favourites). I worry about the current vogue for those pug faced breeds. I can't see the attraction personally. However, they must be developing breathing difficulties.

Yes Maremia, German shepherds with sloping backs were favoured for many years by the Kennel Club. This was unnatural and deliberately bred in. It caused hip dysplasia and arthritis in the hind legs, much suffering. This was the case with one of my rescues. There are also genetic conditions which a responsible breeder would screen the parents for. My last shepherd was affected with one such condition, untreatable, leading eventually to near paralysis of the hind legs and being pts when her quality of life had deteriorated to an unacceptable extent. Irresponsible breeders have much to answer for. They are doubtless selling to inexperienced people who don’t ask questions.

Vegansrock. No way was I supporting anything I just want to know how someone gets a holiday if they rightly or wrongly breed animals for a living

vegansrock, I know.

I am with the Posters here who think unregistered puppy farms are abhorrent, but I also feel that sometimes breeders following 'official' guidelines, with regard to bloodlines and breed attributes, have produced damaged versions of dogs. For example, poor wee pugs who have breathing difficulties, poodles with too narrow pelvises, for easy birthing, Alsatians with weak hind legs, (GSM, you could advise on this).

Sheep. Cows, pigs, chickens all bred for money and many kept , transported and slaughtered in appalling conditions. But oops they aren’t puppies or kittens so don’t count unless they are dead on a plastic tray in the supermarket.

tickingbird

I find some of the comments towards new posters on this forum pretty nasty. Why? Some of you act like school prefects, expecting respect and subservience from new girls. It’s pathetic.

I remember well when I was on the receiving end when I first ventured in but I made it clear I’m no pushover and it soon stopped.

I feel like telling some to grow up!

I agree to some extent, but this post is about what the OP has learned second hand from someone else.
The person she is talking about may be doing things properly, and the poster only learned second hand that the breeder does it to have holidays. She is choosing to believe gossip.

I had a Wolfe spitz with her papers pure German I bought her when I lived there. Brought her back to uk and the amount of times we were contacted from kennel club to bred her was ridiculous but I didn’t buy my dog for that reason and no dog was good enough for my girl lol a friend bought her sister and she did but unfortunately ppl see pound signs and get greedy

argymargy

Thousands of strays? Really?

Yes thousands! Ask any rescue centre they have so many unwanted animals. I have 3 inwanted dogs currently. My friend rescues cats/kittens she fundraises to have them neutered and released if feral and tries to find homes for others. It will be kitten season very soon too many cats and not enough homes sadly.

Purple pixie does your money for your savings for your holiday come from your wages or a pension
People who bred animals do it for an income Do you believe no one should have pets ❓
Just like farmers for the food on your table
Sorry if you are a vegan for which I respect your life style choice

I personally HATE the people who do it. Save up and get a blooming holiday the way everyone else has to do it. It makes me mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We had a pedigree British short haired cat years ago. We had it mated and it produced one kitten. The kitten sold when the time was ready and it was my EX husband’s idea. The poor adult cat walked the house for days looking for her baby. Me and the kids were heartbroken. I swore I would never do that again for put another animal through it. So blooming cruel. Money is not everything!!!!!

I find some of the comments towards new posters on this forum pretty nasty. Why? Some of you act like school prefects, expecting respect and subservience from new girls. It’s pathetic.

I remember well when I was on the receiving end when I first ventured in but I made it clear I’m no pushover and it soon stopped.

I feel like telling some to grow up!

caknib

How very odd some of the responses are. Quite clearly I know scant detail,as I made clear ,I am not talking about sheep or cows or a farm situation. I refer to an acquaintance who is breeding animals,selling them and using the money to fund holidays.
Since I have never set foot there,I can not comment on the living conditions of the queens and tomcat nor the frequency of litters.

Does every post warrant forensic questioning I wonder.

To echo your last sentence, does the situation you posted about initially warrant such a horrified reaction as you clearly have? That is why you received the questioning about the details of this breeder's methods.

You have admitted that you know nothing about how she goes about breeding them, but you also say that "it is grim" that the queens are permanently pregnant. If you believe that this is so, then inform the RSPCA at once If she is breeding enough kittens to have multiple holidays, then she should be licensed, and if she is found to be breaking regulations or maltreating the animals in her care, her licence will be revoked and she will be closely watched in future.

I think you have a general abhorrence of anyone selling, buying or using animals at all. That is a separate issue, and if you had not linked it with an implication that this woman was not only breeding and selling pets but also exploiting them and treating them badly, the replies could have been different.

As Aveline posted, most REPUTABLE breeders do it because they love to be surrounded by cats or dogs. They keep the kittens/puppies with their mothers until the age when in the wild they would naturally begin to leave and live independently, and they make sure that they are well fed, comfortable and happy.

Why not visit this breeder and see for yourself what conditions the animals are kept in, and whether they are relaxed and sociable? You could ask questions about the details that concern you.

Whoops wrong breed

The bottom line is surely virtually all breeders sell their animals who are we to say what they spend it on
It might be preferable to buy a kitten from someone who only has the occasional litter because she is likely to be in a position to devote more time and attention to the mum and babies
I used to be a smallholder I bread ducks and geese I also had a flock of Dheep
I had a holiday and no one ever queried me or asked if I paid my taxes

Cockerpoos are the favourite dog , where I live .
Their owners breed as many litters a year as they can .
I've noticed that these breeders seem to have very nice homes , wear expensive clothes , go to the beautician and drive nice cars .

My neighbour and her sister both have cockerpoos from the same " breeder".
Her bitch - sorry not allowed to use that term - girl dog cost £2,000 and her sister's dog cost £3,000 .
They are not trained , not always housetrained , yap a great deal and run into the road every day .

I've been told that it's a specialist breed recognised by the Kennel Club , the breeder is an approved breeder, they were lucky to acquire such dogs and that I would be unable to have one !

There are lots of advertisements in the freebies for similar dogs .

Miouw!

caknib
Your user name reminds me of catnip which is very apt for this thread.

How rude you are ,some of you.

We rehomed two ex breeding male cats from a local breeder. We were very impressed at the set up. The whole house and gardens were organised for the cats benefit. Yes it was a business I suppose but seemed more of a lifestyle and all registered and legal. All kittens were brought up in this domestic setting and not sold until 16 weeks old and all vaccinated, chipped and registered. Our house was inspected before the 'boys' were discharged into our care. I suspect their vet bills are horrendous as all cats are inspected and tested for any potential problems.
Probably the lady makes a living out of it but not a particularly lavish one. She loves these cats and they obviously love her - says a lot I think.

Rest assured I will do my research before having the temerity to start a thread in future

That would be wise.
And perhaps give some more detail before inviting opinions, most of which are considered given the paucity of the information at the start which was really only hearsay.

Rest assured I will do my research before having the temerity to start a thread in future

Good idea!

argymargy

Thousands of strays? Really?

Yes, really. All the rescue centres are full to bursting and there are so many living on the streets.