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lizzypopbottle Wed 06-Mar-24 12:31:15

I've been meaning to broach this for a while and another thread prompted me at last...

So, in conversation, somebody said 'pardon' and I came out with, "Pardon Mrs Arden, there's a chicken in your garden!" To which my lovely mum-in-law said, " No Liz, it's 'Pardon Mrs Harden, there's a kitten in your garden!'" I'm originally from the North West and M-i-L North East.

So which do you say?

Also, I hum and hah but others um and ah. Posh people hem and haw.

What do you do when you're hesitating?

There was another one but it's slipped my mind.... it might come back...oh!

Egg and chips or chips and egg? I say chips and egg....

I'm sure there are more.

lizzypopbottle Wed 06-Mar-24 20:59:35

A kid'll eat ivy too
Wouldn't you-oo?

RosiesMaw Wed 06-Mar-24 20:08:19

Grandmafrench

If you sing the Andrews Sisters original song, chocolatelovinggran, your GC's will probably send for the men in little white coats!
"Maresy dotes and dozy dotes and little lambsy didies".
(No, me neither - but my Mum would sing it to me.)
I remember 'your cat's had kittens in the garden' (Monmouthshire)

Totally thrown by Chips & Egg - when I first heard it in Shirley Valentine. It's regional but really sounds odd....like saying Custard & Jelly or Cream & Strawberries or, Tonic & Gin 😵‍💫

The original famous saying of William Morris was
'Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful', but as small children just getting in the way we were sometimes referred to as 'neither use nor ornament'.

🎶“Mares eat oat and does eat oats
But little lambs eat ivy “🎶???

flappergirl Wed 06-Mar-24 20:03:48

West country here. Never, ever heard the Mrs Arden expression or anything equivalent. It's egg and chips, bread and jam, sausage and mash.

I would have said "what did you say" and not pardon as a child. Now I would say "sorry".

My mother did say neither use nor ornament though.

dustyangel Wed 06-Mar-24 18:14:41

Used to sing the similar version of Maresie dotes and doesie dotes and liddle lambs eat ivey, a kiddle eat ivey too, wouldn’t you?, as GrandmaFrench, maybe both our Mums were Andrews Sisters fans. I can remember Mum explaining it to me when I asked what it meant,

We were never allowed to say pardon but told to say I beg your pardon or what.

And Shirley Valentine saying chips and egg was just weird.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 06-Mar-24 18:11:08

I'm going to lower the tone here: in Mid Kent we said " Beg your pardon Mrs Arden but your cat's pooed in my garden" Sorry.

Nightsky2 Wed 06-Mar-24 18:00:20

Witzend

Never heard the Mrs Arden thing.
Egg and chips here. (Outer London childhood)

One difference I used to notice, a friend from Sheffield used to refer to what I would call fairy cakes, as buns. To me buns would be made from a yeast mix, not a sponge cake mix.

Not many people know that 😃

Egg and chips
Sausage and mash
Bread and jam
Bread and butter

Never heard the Mrs Arden and I love the chook,chook, chook

Sorry not pardon. Or what did you say.

Southern Ireland and London

Janhutch61 Wed 06-Mar-24 17:56:48

From the NE pardon Mrs Arden there's a cabbage in the garden

Kalu Wed 06-Mar-24 17:55:50

I have never heard of a few things on here.

Saying pardon or I beg your pardon was a very strict no no.
We were expected to say What!

I do remember hearing the new to me version of mares eat oats…who knew?
I certainly didn’t know the words and sang:
Mersey dotes and dozy dotes and little lambs a dying. Whenever I didn’t clearly hear the lyrics of a song, no problem,
I re wrote the song with my own lyrics. Years later, I realised just how many songs I was singing the wrong lyrics to.

Juliet27 Wed 06-Mar-24 17:53:54

Ah yes, remember that one!!

Mollygo Wed 06-Mar-24 17:49:05

Oh yes CoolCoco
A family favourite.

CoolCoco Wed 06-Mar-24 17:48:19

Anyone know this one?
One Two Three
Mother caught a flea
Put it in the teapot and made a cup of tea
Flea jumped out
Mother gave a shout
Down came father with his shirt hanging out

Mollygo Wed 06-Mar-24 17:39:54

lizzypopbottle

Jam and bread (NE) or bread and jam?

Has to be jam and bread for me- I’m now singing the reprise of Doh Re Mi . . .

Grandmafrench Wed 06-Mar-24 17:34:30

If you sing the Andrews Sisters original song, chocolatelovinggran, your GC's will probably send for the men in little white coats!
"Maresy dotes and dozy dotes and little lambsy didies".
(No, me neither - but my Mum would sing it to me.)
I remember 'your cat's had kittens in the garden' (Monmouthshire)

Totally thrown by Chips & Egg - when I first heard it in Shirley Valentine. It's regional but really sounds odd....like saying Custard & Jelly or Cream & Strawberries or, Tonic & Gin 😵‍💫

The original famous saying of William Morris was
'Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful', but as small children just getting in the way we were sometimes referred to as 'neither use nor ornament'.

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Mar-24 17:19:56

MissAdventure

grin
My mum would have had a fit if she found out I even knew it.

I must have been told by another child, but i do like silly poems.

Oh, perhaps my MIL didn't teach him 😁

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Mar-24 17:18:43

"It's raining over Bill's mother's". I don't know which region that is from.

"If you can see the Wrekin, it's going to rain. And if you can't see the Wrekin, it's already raining."

"Going all round The Wrekin" means someone is waffling on and not getting to the point.

MissAdventure Wed 06-Mar-24 17:13:06

grin
My mum would have had a fit if she found out I even knew it.

I must have been told by another child, but i do like silly poems.

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Mar-24 17:11:27

DH taught me that MissA, his mother must have taught him.

MissAdventure Wed 06-Mar-24 17:02:24

Pardon me for being rude,
It was not me, it was my food.
Just popped up to say "hello"
Now it's gone back down below. smile

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 06-Mar-24 16:53:30

I sing the chicken/ egg/ Easter song to my ( somewhat bewildered) grandchildren. Then I compound the felony by chanting " mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy..." BTW I think that ivy is poisonous.
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Callistemon21 Wed 06-Mar-24 16:48:44

winterwhite

My mother came from the NE, she taught us the whole of Chick, chick, chick, chick, chicken (which I'm pleased to be reminded about).

I beg your pardon Mrs Arden there's a chicken in your garden - but never to say 'Pardon', dunno what the point of that saying is.

Egg and chips (chips and egg sounds odd - suppose you wanted two eggs?

Baps

My Mum used to sing the chicken song but with the lines:

"I haven't had an egg since breakfast
And now it's half past three"

Scribbles Wed 06-Mar-24 16:46:19

Pardon Mrs. Arden, there's a piggy in my garden. (When someone burps)

Thanks, MissAdventure. I knew the chicken/kitten thing wasn't what I grew up with but I couldn't remember what the correct version was! I was introduced to the "piggy" rhyme aged around eight by my cousin who grew up in Oxfordshire.
The same cousin varied her excuse-mes occasionally with, "Pardon me; I was not rude. It was not me, it was my food."
My dad was enormously irritated by what he considered total silliness and threatened my sister and I with all sorts of dire consequences if we uttered those rhymes in his presence.

winterwhite Wed 06-Mar-24 16:43:18

My mother came from the NE, she taught us the whole of Chick, chick, chick, chick, chicken (which I'm pleased to be reminded about).

I beg your pardon Mrs Arden there's a chicken in your garden - but never to say 'Pardon', dunno what the point of that saying is.

Egg and chips (chips and egg sounds odd - suppose you wanted two eggs?

Baps

Witzend Wed 06-Mar-24 16:42:39

Callistemon21

MissAdventure

Chook?
It's chicken here.

Chooks live in Australia.

My mother used to sing Chick chick chick chick chicken etc

Actually, hens lay eggs .....

DD’s rescues are known as cluckies in their house. 🐔🐔

CoolCoco Wed 06-Mar-24 16:34:41

Beg your parding Mrs Arding, theres a kitting in your garding.

I don't know why we added the g.

Grandma70s Wed 06-Mar-24 16:30:39

I would never have said pardon. It was (and is) considered vulgar. “Sorry?” was the acceptable word, said with a questioning inflection and expression.

I’m from NW England, but have lived in London and in Scotland also.

Egg and chips
Bread and jam

‘Chips and egg’ sounded so odd to me in Shirley Valentine, and ‘jam and bread’ in The Sound of Music. I assumed that was for the rhyme, or because the song was American.

Does anyone say ‘chips and fish’? I’ve never heard it..