Andy Burnham won Makerfield

Yay!

Not aware that Labour were planning to abolish it

MayBee70

Not aware that Labour were planning to abolish it

Maybe or maybe not but, by keeping the Personal Allowance Threshold frozen until at least 2031 Ms Robber Reeves will ensure that the fiscal drag mechanism will claw back any benefits of the Triple Lock via Income Tax.

Thanks a lot Reeves!

The triple lock should definitely go

But it’s a great result for Andy Burnham and a huge blow to Reform

Here we go again! Nothing learnt.

Thas the end for Starmer.

I just watched an interesting analysis on Sky News. There was a higher turnout than in the general election for this by election, which is apparently almost unheard of. With over 55% voting Burnham it was decisive.

To be honest I am not surprised at the turnout, it wasn't in any sense an ordinary by election.

I can see that, I guess it’s not every day 0.1% of the population gets the chance to shape the future.

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

Allsorts

Here we go again! Nothing learnt.

Not totally sure what you mean but I have a feeling I agree with you!

Bye bye Starmer.

Mollygo

He said he’ll keep the triple lock if he wins the next stage.

All parties state the triple lock will remain, I don't agree but the pensioner vote is very powerful, so it will be clawed back in other ways - thats politics.

Now we shall have weeks if not months of uncertainty whilst Labour continues its infighting.

Should have kept the Conservatives…

The country voted for change, Labour are turning out to be carbon copies of the Conservatives.

I am annoyed, disappointed and frustrated in equal measures.

David49

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

And yet if you look at the Aberdeen South by election result yesterday, the Tories won easily, they got their first by election victory in Scotland for over fifty years. Reform came nowhere, nor did Labour or the Lib Dem’s. It’s all very interesting.

Casdon

I just watched an interesting analysis on Sky News. There was a higher turnout than in the general election for this by election, which is apparently almost unheard of. With over 55% voting Burnham it was decisive.

Yes, 55%

Just amazing.

Kandinsky

Bye bye Starmer.

Bye bye Reform.

Casdon

David49

I would have been stunned if he didn't win the momentum behind him was massive, Reform hasn't gone away smaller parties including the Tories came nowhere.

There is every reason why MPs rally round Burnham and depose Starmer immediately, they obviously want a change so why wait until after the summer break. Burnham "talks the talk" and should unite the Labour Party whether he can score enough successes to win the next election will be the real test.

And yet if you look at the Aberdeen South by election result yesterday, the Tories won easily, they got their first by election victory in Scotland for over fifty years. Reform came nowhere, nor did Labour or the Lib Dem’s. It’s all very interesting.

Aberdeen, the ‘oil city’ which has lost out on the decline in fossil fuels. The tories promised a greater concentration on the continuing use of fossil fuels. I’m not surprised that Aberdonians went for that. I think it’s a flash in the pan which won’t do much for their fortunes elsewhere.

GrannyGravy13

The country voted for change, Labour are turning out to be carbon copies of the Conservatives.

I am annoyed, disappointed and frustrated in equal measures.

I don't think that's true. The Conservatives would never have put VAT on school fees, increased the number of children eligible for free school meals, opened more breakfast clubs, delivered the Employment Rights Act and loads of other things. You might not like them, but I don't believe it's true to claim that Labour and Conservatives are carbon copies.

What a circus the Labour party is! Johnson may have been a clown, but Starmer is a plank, and walking the plank very soon.

I'm not sure AB will change much, but if he is what people have voted for, then ok, round we go again.

CatsWhiskas I was referring to the revolving door of No.10

Mollygo

He said he’ll keep the triple lock if he wins the next stage.

I agree with David. This is a fiscal mistake I think