Sussex versus Prince of Wales.

Yes Cossy I am grateful I do not lie ,seek revenge or suffer
jealousy.

Anniebach

The Duchess of Sussex has always cared about humanity!
her blood family, her family by marriage?

She lies , fact , Harry lies fact, they are both vengeful, I do not have these flaws

Well good for you, not having these flaws!

As I stated earlier, and consistently, I take everything I see and read with a punch of salt.

As our late Queen stated “recollections differ” and actually this is the truest statement I’ve ever read. Speak to any group witnessing the same event, you will get several different versions and those involved will all be affected differently.

merlotgran

Wherever there is conflict people tend to pick sides.

While we have a royal family it IS our business. They’re not keeping their disputes under wraps. It’s out there for all to see therefore we have a right to comment.

It really isn’t our business and it’s the media making much of many things!

I don’t feel I have a “right” to comment, however we are all allowed to express our own opinions. But, for the most part, that’s what they are, opinions!

No one other than those directly involved knows the full facts

Rosie51

Cossy it can't be mere coincidence that Harry and/or Meghan announce or launch something on exactly the same day that there is a "significant happening" involving others in the RF. A date that has been known about in advance. Once might be an unfortunate occurrence, but multiple times smacks of intent.

I think most people are saddened by the rift between two brothers who were once very close, but it remains that only one of them issues accusations and condemnation publicly. It is a very big bridge that will need building.

The “significant happening” was honouring BOTH son’s mother’s awards! Clearly at least one of those sons was ok with the timing. It could indeed be a coincident. I think people are making much about nothing!

Wherever there is conflict people tend to pick sides.

While we have a royal family it IS our business. They’re not keeping their disputes under wraps. It’s out there for all to see therefore we have a right to comment.

Cossy it can't be mere coincidence that Harry and/or Meghan announce or launch something on exactly the same day that there is a "significant happening" involving others in the RF. A date that has been known about in advance. Once might be an unfortunate occurrence, but multiple times smacks of intent.

I think most people are saddened by the rift between two brothers who were once very close, but it remains that only one of them issues accusations and condemnation publicly. It is a very big bridge that will need building.

The Duchess of Sussex has always cared about humanity!
her blood family, her family by marriage?

She lies , fact , Harry lies fact, they are both vengeful, I do not have these flaws

it’s really none of our business and frankly, I wish them all well and hope, in time , they can heal their rift

Thanks Cossy. I’ve made similar comments on these threads but ‘some posters’ seem to need to split - one couple good. The other couple bad. The RF has a long history of family rows disapproval and dysfunction - much like most of us,

I find it incredulous that the same people who shun the media also believe everything printed when it suits their agenda!

Unless there are people on here who know ANY member of the RF personally I take everything I read about any of them with a pinch of salt.

Obviously once a book is published or an interview conducted this casts a different light on things.

The Duchess of Sussex has always cared about humanity, referenced by clips from videos when she was quite a young girl. The Duke of Sussex is still very active, where allowed, with anything attached to the services.

I think they are both damaged people, who’ve been very badly advised and are in a bad place. Whether this is entirely their fault is in some ways irrelevant.

The Prince and Princess of Wales, are humans, like the Sussexes, all of them have the same flaws we all do and make similar mistakes and have family feuds, just like the rest of us.

It’s really none of our business and frankly I wish them all well and hope, in time, they can heal their rift.

From Robert Hardman's book, either Charles 111, or Queen of our Times (unsure which one)

"When the Sussexes announced their daughter’s name, Lilibet, a row ensued over its usage and whether the Queen approved it or not. In his book, Hardman writes about the Queen’s reaction to her great granddaughter being named after her, as told to him by a member of the household.

“One [member of staff] privately recalled that Elizabeth II had been 'as angry as I'd ever seen her' in 2021 after the Sussexes announced that she had given them her blessing to call their baby daughter 'Lilibet', the Queen's childhood nickname."
I would believe Robert Hardman over Harry.

Aveline

We met some Americans on holiday who told us how lovely they thought it was that the then baby was called Lilibet. Once we explained the crass nature of this incredibly tactless, tasteless thing to do they were appalled.

I seem to remember Archie was George’s nickname before H&M’s son was born. 🤫

Exactly.

The critics of Meghan and Harry at least use their preferred names, in contrast to the use of Kate for Catherine despite her stated preference.

Clawdy

Yet another pathetic thread denigrating Harry and Meghan. So boring and predictable, such venom. They can do no right, Saint Kate and William can do no wrong (although that may be changing....)

Actually, I see nothing but facts on this thread.

If you want to read criticism of Catherine and William, there are other threads.

She either was not prepared sufficiently for life ahead or more to the point took no notice and thought she could change it all within no time

She was very well-prepared, Charleygirl despite what she claimed.
I think it is the latter.

Pantglas2

Am I the only one to feel conned by Meghan?

I had such high hopes when they married and she seemed to be an amazing new addition to the RF. I was disappointed that they chose to cut and run because everything wasn’t going their way. Harry always knew there was a pecking order - surely he explained the system to her?

Now everything seems sullied by an underlying sly attempt at oneupmanship from across the pond while the RF carry on regardless. I wish the Sussexes were happier with their lot and didn’t feel the need to compete and come off second best - it all feels sad to me, and worse, I feel I’ve been had!

This is how I feel too.

Disappointed and yes, taken in.
Behind the facade was another persona.

I don't blame them at all for leaving to live in America but why the need for a constant oneupmanship?

Charles and Diana were adulterers .

Only person who has said they were close to the late Queen was Harry,

William too suffered grief, his mother wrote of how he pushed tissues under her bathroom door when she was struggling with
depression, he has never spoken of this.

Are lies an error of judgement an error of judgement?

Choosing to lunch her new business selling jams and jellies etc
the same time as her late mother in laws charity was certainly no coincidence

Glorianny

I don't know what Meghan has announced I don't know what awards W &H are presenting. It seems very odd to me that anyone should keep saying M&H should just fade away and yet keep constantly following their every move. The RF are an unnecessary anachronism, ignore them. If you don't like M&H ignore them as well. I can't help feeling that in some way these two couples provide some sort of belief system and meaning to people's lives, a bit like heaven and hell in religious systems. I don't need either of them.

And yet you post your wisdom on the subject on thread after thread? You have praised M&H while criticising W&C, especially Catherine, about whom you seem to know a great deal including her motivation for attending her university.

I don't know what Meghan has announced I don't know what awards W &H are presenting. It seems very odd to me that anyone should keep saying M&H should just fade away and yet keep constantly following their every move. The RF are an unnecessary anachronism, ignore them. If you don't like M&H ignore them as well. I can't help feeling that in some way these two couples provide some sort of belief system and meaning to people's lives, a bit like heaven and hell in religious systems. I don't need either of them.

The rift between the brothers has never been more obvious than it was last night, with Harry's video link being activated after William had left. It's tragic really, when we remember how close not just the brothers were, but how close Harry was to Catherine.

As for any attempts at 'one up man ship', H&M should know by now that they never succeed in overshadowing the RF. The thing about envy is that it destroys the very thing it covets.

Fawn!!!!

Oreo

I don’t think it’s that so much ( rose tinted views) just that it’s easy to see that Harry and Meghan, after a fairytale wedding put on at great public expense have cut and run for the good life of being paid to be celebs while the other brother, wife and family get on with their duties.

It’s very easy to see from the outside, we, normal Joe Public, have zero idea of what actually happens within the RF!

I agree their conduct has been very questionable, I agree they’ve made enormous errors of judgement, I do not agree that they are toxic evil people! Due to the choices they made they have to make a living. They are damned if they do, damned if they dont!

Historically within our RF the “spare” always has a totally different role and even upbringing, it often leads to division. Look at Prince Andrew, look at Princess Margaret.

I just hope the current Prince and Princess of Wales do something different with future King George! Though none of us will be around to Dawn over him.

Oreo

I don’t think it’s that so much ( rose tinted views) just that it’s easy to see that Harry and Meghan, after a fairytale wedding put on at great public expense have cut and run for the good life of being paid to be celebs while the other brother, wife and family get on with their duties.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but I don't think it's a case of one side all bad while the other can do no wrong.

Oreo - they made their choice and it’s not difficult to understand why.

I don’t think it’s that so much ( rose tinted views) just that it’s easy to see that Harry and Meghan, after a fairytale wedding put on at great public expense have cut and run for the good life of being paid to be celebs while the other brother, wife and family get on with their duties.

Iam64

What makes you think Clawdy isn’t up to date with ‘the news’ lemsip?
No surprises when I agree with her views on the venom that pours out whenever H and / or M appear .

I too agree! They may have an agenda, they may not! I do not know ANY of the RF personally so cannot “judge” them at all.

For all we know Harry could have contacted his DG and run the idea of the name past her, and even if he didn’t he lost his Mum at a young age, having been part of a very public marriage breakdown of his parents, and (reportedly) was very close the HRH Queen Elizabeth, so no doubt was very upset at her death.

He made some catastrophic errors of judgement with his Oprah interview and book BUT he and his wife are human beings, flawed like the rest of us.

Funny how short are memories are, our King was (allegedly) an adulterer throughout his marriage, after their very public separation both he and The Princess of Wales gave disastrous TV interviews.

Edward and Andrew both made “mistakes” in their lives, Edward then went on to completely redeem himself, his brother sadly didn’t!

Whatever H&M do will be wrong and is, frankly, none of anyone’s business except theirs!