Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

I went to an all girls Grammar school in the 60s and the ethos was very much that we were the equal of men and would all go on to have good careers. At art school we were all treated as equals with equal prospects. I was employed as a graphic designer but my boss changed my contract so that I was employed as a draughtsman and was paid the same as the boys in our office.

My daughter heads a university research team and there's never been any suggestion that a woman shouldn't be doing this. Her husband was in the Navy and does the ironing because he's good at it.

I really thought we'd finished with all this decades ago.

Cherrytree59

😂
A wind up indeed
So stop arsing around Bumface 😛

🤣🤣🤣🤣

RosiesMaw

Given that OP clearly omitted to offer the counter argument but now states that is her opinion, the opening post can only be viewed as unduly provocative, vexatious and goady

... and I fell for it.

Another lesson learned.

Namsnanny

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

I can't see the second point having much sway though

Quite!

Husband: "You have been disloyal and ill-behaved, I shall not sleep with you tonight"

Wife: 😊😊

Given that OP clearly omitted to offer the counter argument but now states that is her opinion, the opening post can only be viewed as unduly provocative, vexatious and goady

Judy54

How you were brought up should not have any bearing on how you see things now. We all adapt, change and learn over the years thank goodness!

Oh how true 🤷‍♀️
I’m with Dickens Re the posters who say my mother/ father/ teacher etc told me never do/ always etc, I want to scream cant you give your own opinions it’s almost as if they have to back up their opinion by quoting their family.

I was born in 1943 and when I was a school girl I remember coming home and seeing my dad ironing our pleated skirts. He worked shifts and in his spare time he cleaned the house and made meals. Both mum and dad worked so they ran the home together. It was always a partnership and that is what my marriage to my late husband was, a partnership.

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

Gn, Learn something new every day Thanks for the explanation.

It's from the Qur'an.

Ye Gods
Bible MissAdventure?
Good link

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

Cossy

Namsnanny

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Our three daughters, aged 23, 26 and 40, would all be equally horrified to be considered “unequal” or worse “second best” to men!

I too have seen these “traditional wives” on a documentary, mainly in the USA. It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!

A big fat no thank you from me!

It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!



Yes, I suppose a good slap or whack with a cane is a good deterrent against an uppity woman who doesn't know her place.

Ye Gods...

Bumface

Please read what I said carefully before going off on one. Nowhere do I say that women shouldn't have equal opportunities/pay and my statement 'I was brought up to believe' means just that. Please tell me where I state that this is what I believe or even that I have ever believed this. Some of you have written some pretty toxic things about me on this basis.
Yes, I do have a daughter and I am very proud of her, she has a first class degree and works as a graphic designer. She is also the mother of my three lovely grandsons. I continued to work after I was married and though I admire homemaking skills, I have never been much cop at housework.

I was brought up to believe quite a lot of other things some of which were really horrible.

People often react against their upbringing and saying you were brought up to believe certain things does not mean you endorse those beliefs.

I also know quite a few couples who share the housework and childcare and my daughter is friendly with a couple where husband stays at home and the wife, who is a high flying accountant brings in the cash.

I use the handle Bumface because I have a cleft chin and it is my nickname.

I’m sorry, it was never my intention to offend or insult you, you cannot help your upbringing and I just wondered if you had daughters.

Well for one I think you deserve a nicer nickname

It's just a talking point.
A discussion which seems to have touched a nerve, which I'm guessing you hadn't in mind when you posted?

It happens some times, even the spoken word said face to face is hard enough to understand for some of us (me).
Let alone conveying ideas and feelings in writing.

Please read what I said carefully before going off on one. Nowhere do I say that women shouldn't have equal opportunities/pay and my statement 'I was brought up to believe' means just that. Please tell me where I state that this is what I believe or even that I have ever believed this. Some of you have written some pretty toxic things about me on this basis.
Yes, I do have a daughter and I am very proud of her, she has a first class degree and works as a graphic designer. She is also the mother of my three lovely grandsons. I continued to work after I was married and though I admire homemaking skills, I have never been much cop at housework.

I was brought up to believe quite a lot of other things some of which were really horrible.

People often react against their upbringing and saying you were brought up to believe certain things does not mean you endorse those beliefs.

I also know quite a few couples who share the housework and childcare and my daughter is friendly with a couple where husband stays at home and the wife, who is a high flying accountant brings in the cash.

I use the handle Bumface because I have a cleft chin and it is my nickname.

Namsnanny

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Our three daughters, aged 23, 26 and 40, would all be equally horrified to be considered “unequal” or worse “second best” to men!

I too have seen these “traditional wives” on a documentary, mainly in the USA. It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!

A big fat no thank you from me!

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

Yes.

Namsnanny
The OP said:
The man was the breadwinner so his role was to provide the money, discipline the children if necessary and be looked after by the wife. He had the responsibility and the final word when making important decisions affecting the family.

I appreciate that, many years ago, women's pay was not equal to that of men for doing the same job. Even after the Equal Pay Act came into force, there were still ways around it.
Before maternity leave, many women did take time off to bring up young children but most of those did return to the workforce later having lost out on promotions.
So yes, in many instances the man earned more.
I appreciate that wasn't always the case.

But, having a mother who worked, it never occurred to me that I would never return to work as soon as the children were at school. Having a DH who worked away made it difficult so yes, I was chief cook, bottlewasher, nanny, laundress, gardener, chauffeur, the parent who went to school parents' evenings etc. And bin emptier.

Did he discipline the children? Not usually, nor did he make any decisions unilaterally although I had to!

Who cares it's just a question

Maybe she's from Afghanistan?

Oreo

FGS, all the spiteful remarks and yet the OP has returned and said what she thinks, sheesh!
As I said on the first page of the thread, many ethnic minorities
Still think the same as the OP’s family from the past, and they live in the UK.

👍as you said so many ethnic groups still think this is the best way, and like to follow tradition.
Pearl Davies (I think) is resurrecting discussions on line if this sort.
A group of women calling themselves Trad wives are getting attention.
The topic is far from old hat, especially for 20 somethings.