Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

BlueBelle

Bangs head against wall !!!!

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How old are you, Bumface?
Are you our oldest Gransnetter? 🏆

The reason women do all that (and work) is that they are so much better at multitasking than men

(Oops, is that a sexist remark?)

How you were brought up should not have any bearing on how you see things now. We all adapt, change and learn over the years thank goodness!

Sorry that was for Mae13

Goodness!! 😱😱😱

BlueBelle

Oh I wish I had knitted mine

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Bumface

I really was brought up to believe this garbage and I am not that old.
We may delude ourselves that we have completely moved away from the bad old days, but how do you explain the following:-

Latest figures for average gender pay gap 14.3%.

Schools still run on the assumption that one parent does not have a full-time job. Holiday, before and after school care does exist in most, but not all, schools but it comes at a price.

According to a recent survey women do 80% of the housework.

If children are ill it is almost always the woman who has to stay home from work.

If the house is dirty or the children misbehave the woman is more likely to be blamed.

In broken homes it is still nearly always the women who has custody of the children and it is not unusual for the man to start a new family without a backward glance.

It is still more acceptable for a man to live away from home if his work requires it.

Don't get me started on adverts, though quite a few now show men doing housework.

Andrew Tate and his ilk.

I really didn't mean to stir up a hornets' nest but I am loving your responses. BTW I was born a girl and I still identify as female. I could go on but I need to sort out the washing and dust the living room.

Surveys and statistics are often incorrect or modified.

In my years (14) as a school governor our school never expected only one full time working parent and many of the female staff had families and worked full time. In my daughters schools it’s expected that MOST parents work, both of them.

In the public sector grading ensures men and women doing the same job received exactly the same pay, opportunities and conditions.

In our household I once had a job where I worked away from home Monday to Friday, we had two children at the time, 1 only 1 year old, my husband worked and with my Mum did nursery runs etc.

Yes, undoubtedly there are still more men on boards, more CEOs are male, but this is slowly changing. I know several women, between 40 and 60 who are the higher earners in their families.

Men do far more housework and child care than ever before.

Oh and in answer to your rather odd question YES YES YES!!!

Does OP have daughters????

RosiesMaw

Does OP qualify as GN's oldest member?
She must be at least 150.

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My Mum used to voice some outdated ideas.
When I finished school in Portsmouth in 1975 I didn't want to go on to higher education and a degree course.
Mother's comment:
"It'll pass the time for three or four years and you're more likely to meet a man who will earn enough to keep you and a family."

I brought home a recruitment brochure for the WRNS:
"You'll end up married to a sailor and he'll be away half the year."

In the end I gave up, took the line of least resistance and headed off to polytechnic, a place in halls and a grant cheque.
I met my husband, from the north, who was reluctantly there for similar reasons.
We stayed at poly for the first year, then left and have built a good life together in the Midlands.

I most definitely was NOT brought up that way. BOTH my parents brought me up to be an independent (in every way) adventuress curious young woman who was just as good as a male, equal in all ways! I’m so shocked 😱😱

Joins Bluebelle on the head banging wall🤣
Got to be a wind up surely ?

For posing a question?
Really???

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Got them going though…..

Oh I wish I had knitted mine

Well, I knew the British were old-fashioned in many respects, but this post really takes the biscuit!

Like most of the others who have answered it, I cannot believe anyone of my generation (I am 72) even if brought up to believe this, still thinks it right, so I do wonder what OP meant posting this.

Bumface

I was brought up to believe that a woman's role in civilised society was to marry a man, run a home and bear and raise children. The man was the breadwinner so his role was to provide the money, discipline the children if necessary and be looked after by the wife. He had the responsibility and the final word when making important decisions affecting the family.

Is this a wind up?

biglouis

My parents tried to get me to believe these things but by age 11 (the age I decided never to have children) I had more or less rejected them.

I told my grandmother once that I had never met a man who was my equal and to whom I was attracted. She said "I think you will have to knit yourself one".

The one thing that puzzled me as a young teen back in the 50s was why, as a woman, I was supposed to respond to a man's (well, boy's anyway) attentions purely on the basis that he had granted them. It was almost as if I should be grateful and flattered to be noticed.

What made me think like this was because if I spurned such attention, I was made to feel unkind, ungrateful and, somehow, not normal.

There was one particular persistent young man I'd been at school with, very handsome, but I had absolutely no interest in him whatsoever. My mother was constantly urging me to accept his proposal of a date, and I wouldn't, couldn't, because handsome or not, he made my skin crawl.

How can you explain this as a teenager to a family who insisted he was a "nice young man" implying that there was something wrong with me for not wanting to date him?

Thank goodness times have changed. Otherwise we'd all be knitting the right man...

I told my grandmother once that I had never met a man who was my equal and to whom I was attracted. She said "I think you will have to knit yourself one".

I love that! 😆

My parents tried to get me to believe these things but by age 11 (the age I decided never to have children) I had more or less rejected them.

I told my grandmother once that I had never met a man who was my equal and to whom I was attracted. She said "I think you will have to knit yourself one".

Dear Bumface. strange pseudonym to give yourself btw
Sadly, I agree that there is still plenty of prejudice against women in the workplace, often by other women.

Yesterday I attended a lecture about Mary Somerville who was the first Scientist (of either sex to be called a scientist)
Born in 1780, died 1872
She was a polymath, mathematician, astronomer, teacher, prolific writer and artist.
She was able to work at her science because her first DH died leaving her a bit of money and thus the freedom to develop.
Her 2nd DH was much more accommodating but nonetheless she bore 6 DC.

Her picture is on the Royal Bank of Scotland £10 note and an Oxford college is named after her.
I hadn't heard of her until yesterday.

Even today I was reminded that although the majority of people who work in the science labs at Edinburgh University are women, most of the chiefs, the high earners, are men.

oxsci.org/mary-somerville-her-legacy-for-women-in-science/

Of course women should have equal pay for the same work (statistics often mislead in this respect) and equal opportunities. However when children come along compromises usually have to be made. If women want absolute equality in the workplace and refuse to compromise on that then they may have to choose not to have children unless they are content (and are sufficiently rich) to employ nannies who are available 24/7/365.

Bumface

I really was brought up to believe this garbage and I am not that old.
We may delude ourselves that we have completely moved away from the bad old days, but how do you explain the following:-

Latest figures for average gender pay gap 14.3%.

Schools still run on the assumption that one parent does not have a full-time job. Holiday, before and after school care does exist in most, but not all, schools but it comes at a price.

According to a recent survey women do 80% of the housework.

If children are ill it is almost always the woman who has to stay home from work.

If the house is dirty or the children misbehave the woman is more likely to be blamed.

In broken homes it is still nearly always the women who has custody of the children and it is not unusual for the man to start a new family without a backward glance.

It is still more acceptable for a man to live away from home if his work requires it.

Don't get me started on adverts, though quite a few now show men doing housework.

Andrew Tate and his ilk.

I really didn't mean to stir up a hornets' nest but I am loving your responses. BTW I was born a girl and I still identify as female. I could go on but I need to sort out the washing and dust the living room.

This is absolutely not what I witness amongst the young couples I know and is actually rather insulting to most young men. My children and their partners share domestic duties and childcare equally - and I see the same in all of their contemporaries

A slightly different slant on things here, my mother was born in 1896 and never went out to work. However she did all the invoices and accounting for my father's plumbing business. My mother was in charge of the family budget and made all the major decisions. All is not always as it seems,

FGS, all the spiteful remarks and yet the OP has returned and said what she thinks, sheesh!
As I said on the first page of the thread, many ethnic minorities
Still think the same as the OP’s family from the past, and they live in the UK.