Botox and fillers

RunaroundSue

I watched a recent film starring Sandra Bullock. She was normally a beautiful lady but now she has had lip fillers and other treatments and she looks like a fish around her mouth.

I am 81 years old and from being 16 years of age I have used moisturising creams because my mum started to buy from an Avon lady in the late 1950's. I do not have any wrinkles at all and our sons say that I look 20 years younger and I have been taken for my eldest sons wife (he is 54 years old) and he wasn't very happy about it. My neck and chest looks like a 30 year olds, no turkey neck, just smooth skin.

Let’s have a picture to see if we all agree with you RunaroundSue??

I think we should just be encouraging our daughters and granddaughters to value themselves for who they are, not what they look like.

Bluebelle.. I doubt she had botox and fillers because she is unhappy with herself. It is a widely practised cosmetic procedure that if done by a reputable operative is barely noticeable.
As Aveline said that she didn't even know that her daughter had been having it done. If you saw a before and after foto then you would be able to see the difference.
It wouldn't look dramatic like Sharon Osborne or any of the younger set of celebs with giant lips etc. My two daughters and myself have been having this done for many years.
I think unless you have personal experience it can seem like it is a dramatic procedure because of the awful faces full of botox that we see in the media. A reputable clinic and operative would not fill your face in such a way. Celebrities must ask for the amount that is used hence tarring anyone else who uses fillers etc with the same brush. Thousands and thousands of people use fillers and botox who don't look like monsters. Most look very nice.
So many people in the media and all around us use botox and fillers and you would never know.
The vast majority of my daughters friends use these cosmetic procedures and enhancements. It really is extremely common.
I am sure that you Bluebelle have a close relationship with all your family but often grandma's and mothers are not told for the very reason we see the disapproving posts on here regarding botox and fillers.
As you get older you don't have to use more and more and most sane people don't. A reputable professional operative will give gentle top ups a couple of times a year. If you suddenly stopped your skin would just go back to normal there would be no lasting effects. These are all tempory fillers that are used now not like the permanent ones that have disfigured faces as in the past.
But it is all a personal choice and l respect everyone's view.

I know there are some serious concerns about people who aren't licensed health care professionals being allowed to take a half-day course and then inject fillers and things. This is worrisome because you have to be extremely careful with many procedures involving the face - and not just because of the cosmetic effects. The skin on the face is very thin and you have to be careful about blood vessels and things.

I'm a nurse and I refuse to do cosmetic nursing, even though I know there's potentially a fair amount of money to be made. I don't use Botox or fillers but I have considered medicinal Botox to treat tension headaches - though I'm going to look at some less invasive options (massage and having my eyes checked to ensure I don't need new glasses or something) first.

I would have reacted like you Avaline it’s human to not want your children, who you love to be unhappy with themselves, or evening harming themselves
I don’t really agree with you GSM that it’s fine for older people to have a ‘little refresh’ let’s all be content with how we look The most beautiful woman I ever knew was full of wrinkles and full of life and full of experiences, awful that the Carol Vordemons and Sharon Osborne’s of the world are so influential in the ‘I’m only worth anything if I look 16’

Aveline

*dragonfly46*. You can wash make up off.

That's true. I must admit I felt the same when my son had a tattoo. I think he regrets it now.
I don't think a little Botox hurts although I would be wary of fillers.

Jillikins3 I didn't argue with her. My shock must have been very obvious. DH was there too and is equally unhappy.
I doubt she will tell us much in future but, if this is the sort of thing to find out, I most likely just don't want to know.

I would be very worried about the long term effects. As someone who uses Botox and fillers ages presumably they need more and more. That surely can’t end well. I understand exactly where Aveline is coming from. There’s a big difference between a middle aged or older woman wanting a little ‘refresh’ as I think they say, and a young woman starting on this (to my mind) slippery slope.

I think problems can arise if the Botox used has been imported illegally and is not of medical grade quality. Also a lack of training to administer the injections into the correct site. Cosmetic botox is illegal for under eighteens, and hopefully more regulation is coming.
I couldn’t bear the thought of injections in my face so wouldn’t go down that route for cosmetic reasons.
Two friends have regular Botox. One in her eye to stop double vision. The other to keep her remaining organs in place after extensive cancer surgery.

How did that get out about Catherine?

I don't understand why you would argue with your daughter as you didn't even know she had been having it done until she told you. Much like most people didn't know Kate. Middleton used these procedures .Also it is difficult to gage why you think you have a say in her life choices. It sounds like you're talking about a teenager that's had a tattoo . How old is she and does she live at home or is she living her own life in her own home .I don't think l would see either of my daughters for dust if l thought it was my right to criticize them in such a way. To say you are only human and feel diffi about her ..l expect she feels differently about you too. Sorry if that sounds harsh but l feel she will not want to share other things with you in the future if you are going to be so judgmental. I am making the assumption
that she is not a teenager in which case it would be different.

Thank God no one in my family has felt the need I have five beautiful grandaughters in the 18-28 age group and all have their own beauty although one does use loads of eye lashes make up and stuff that takes about an hour to do but the others all seem to use much less (and she is very beautiful without and that’s not just a granny opinion)
None of my daughters or daughters in law have used anything
although daughter in law had an expensive ‘see through’ brace
I pray none of the grand daughters do as I think most people look incredibly awful and god knows what’s going into their bodies
I really feel for you Avaline I d be just the same

Has anyone else been watching the documentaries about the Hilton Hotel in Park Lane on a Sunday evening?

One lady who works there, in a high powered job, think her name is Georgina, has obviously had lots of work done on her lips and cheeks etc. in the past. The results are awful. She has the trout pout, and when she speaks, seems unable to open her mouth properly. It all looks so unnatural, and to be honest, quite scary. She has a very public facing role, probably hoping to still look youthful.

No idea why they have it done though, it all looks ghastly.

Talk about growing old gracefully.

Yes it's DDs life and her choice. My choice how I feel about it.

It's the society we live in now where people have to look young for as long as possible. So called celebrities have caused this by being photographed looking 20 years younger than they are.

I’ve had Botox on and off for about 20 years . I go to reputable skin clinic and they aim for subtle rather than obvious. My husband , family and some friends still don’t know I’ve had it done .
I had it done for my frown lines , I looked permanently cross .
It also slightly lifts my eyebrows , which opens up my eyes and makes me look fresher .
OP if you didn’t know your daughter had it done then she’s been to a good practitioner and gone for subtle. And it’s her life and her choice.

Amanda Holden has had lip fillers I’m sure - I noticed yesterday when she was on Britains Got Talent

Knowing how easily the lymph system can be upset with unpleasant consequences, I would hate for my 2 lovely mid forties daughters to dabble in Botox etc. Our bodies are so finely balanced.
I was horrified to hear of a cousin's daughter having colonic irrigation several times a few years back when it was the trend. In what way on earth is that normal for a body?.
I listened to a podcast a couple of months ago about the workings of hormones in the body regulating so many processes. Absolutely amazing. We should be teaching our young to be in awe of our bodies...not trying to "improve" them. And the long term problems could be devastating years down the line.

I'm not arguing I'm just very disappointed and feel differently about her. I'm human.

If you didn’t know she had used Botox and fillers then they were done well and in your own words, she is beautiful.

I dont understand why you would argue with her about it, she is an adult and can make her own decisions.

Kate1949

I've always thought what beautiful skin the author Marian Keyes has. She looks like a porcelain doll. I thought she was very lucky. She said on TV the other days that she has fillers and Botox!

I only saw a photo of her for the first time the other day and thought she looked rather strange, quite unnerving for some reason.

My DD has absolutely no problem with her self esteem! That's another reason I was so shocked and disappointed. I suppose I hoped she'd have more strength of mind to reject such artificial enhancements. Maybe even embrace growing older gracefully.

So many celebrities and those in the public eye use too much and too often.If it is used properly then it wouldn't be obvious as in the case with your daughter. Kate Middleton uses it for one example of moderation. I have been using both Botox and fillers since 2010.Always from a reputable
clinic with professionally trained operatives.You would be surprised just how many people do use it. Not
everyone wants giant lips,apple cheek bones and frozen ugly faces. Honestly if it is used properly it just makes you look fresher with fewer lines.l agree that in most young women it is an unnecessary procedure.

I have had surface work done, micro needling and skin resurfacing but would never have anything injected into my face even if it were free….

I don't think you should tar all young women with the same brush. Not all of them are led into this- I think we should support natural beauty more but that doesn't make money for these major corporations. The beauty product market is massive!

Having said that I wouldn't argue with my daughter about the choices she makes- just express your opinions and leave it at that. Building up her self-esteem so she could be more confident about who she is would be more effective.