Prince Harry will not meet the King during UK visit.

eazybee

*Mollygo*, you are absolutely right. I have just read a sycophantic piece in the Daily Telegraph which is all about family tensions; very little about the purpose of Invictus Games.

No wonder that apparently 2,000 servicemen/women have now rejected the Invictus Games.

Mollygo, you are absolutely right. I have just read a sycophantic piece in the Daily Telegraph which is all about family tensions; very little about the purpose of Invictus Games.

Joseann

PuddyCat

Speaking in the church where his parents were married, Prince Harry gave a Bible reading from Isaiah which talked of stopping “the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil”.

Mr Markle has absolutely no self awareness. Having spent 5 years pointing his finger at his father, his brother, his step mother, his sister in law and various unnamed relatives, to anyone who would listen but he's now standing up in a church preaching about the perils of it. As for speaking of evil... he just needs to stand in front of a mirror with Mrs Markle. His hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is breathtaking. I'm glad that none of his relatives, apart from an aunt and uncle, bothered to go and support him. He's reaping what he's sown.

I don't understand how Harry is pointing the finger at other family members because they have been the epitome of discretion. None of them has publicly spoken evil of him or his wife, none of them has caused harm or torn the family apart. Perhaps he is admitting his own disrespectful behaviour and hopes that God will hear him and lead him?
I wasn't there, however, to hear the reading in context, so who knows how to interpret this?

Harry has been very cruel with his remarks about Queen Camilla and she has maintained a dignified silence but it must have upset both her and the King. Harry should keep his nasty opinions to himself.

I wonder why didn’t Harry work on the press to make it all about the Invictus Games - the reason for his visit.

silverlining48

Didn’t Charles criticise his parents and go on tv to talk about his affair. Did he write a book too? Not sure but just saying …..

No!

He authorised a biography on himself by Jonathan Dimbleby. In it, the Queen and Philip were described as emotionally distant.

Though he did seem to form a closer bond with his mother in later years - if you look at the way he has referenced her, in speeches, etc.

No, Charles didn’t write a book. The only reference to his relationship with Camilla was to say the affair started after his
marriage had broken down.

Didn’t Charles criticise his parents and go on tv to talk about his affair. Did he write a book too? Not sure but just saying …..

I have some sympathy for Harry both as a child as his parents marriage broke up so publicly, the constant rumours about who his father was and the sudden shocking death of his mother must have been very hard fir a young boy.

I wasn't there, however, to hear the reading in context, so who knows how to interpret this?

Harry spoke from Isaiah 58:9 which reads Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity.

That passage had so much relevance to Harry it could have been written with him in mind!

Slandering someone's name causes upset and stress. Harry has questioned Charles' character and criticised his brother, SiL and step mother. Doing so, he actually sullies his own reputation. Surely by now he has realised the error of these ways?
I also agree with Dickens that the time has come to stop blaming Harry's wife for everything ....... (and I used to be one of the first to find fault with her) .... because yes, life is fragile and can be smashed in the blink of an eye.

PuddyCat

^Speaking in the church where his parents were married, Prince Harry gave a Bible reading from Isaiah which talked of stopping “the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil”.^

Mr Markle has absolutely no self awareness. Having spent 5 years pointing his finger at his father, his brother, his step mother, his sister in law and various unnamed relatives, to anyone who would listen but he's now standing up in a church preaching about the perils of it. As for speaking of evil... he just needs to stand in front of a mirror with Mrs Markle. His hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is breathtaking. I'm glad that none of his relatives, apart from an aunt and uncle, bothered to go and support him. He's reaping what he's sown.

I don't understand how Harry is pointing the finger at other family members because they have been the epitome of discretion. None of them has publicly spoken evil of him or his wife, none of them has caused harm or torn the family apart. Perhaps he is admitting his own disrespectful behaviour and hopes that God will hear him and lead him?
I wasn't there, however, to hear the reading in context, so who knows how to interpret this?

Urmstongran

Seems a bit harsh? All that way too. He landed in the UK a few hours ago. Without Meghan and the children.

From the Telegraph just now:

“ The Duke of Sussex will not meet the King this week, the Telegraph can reveal.

Prince Harry, 39, landed in London on Tuesday morning and had made no secret of his hopes to see his father during his visit.

But a spokesperson for the Duke said: “In response to the many inquiries and continued speculation on whether or not The Duke will meet with his father while in the UK this week, it unfortunately will not be possible due to His Majesty’s full programme.

“The Duke of course is understanding of his father’s diary of commitments and various other priorities and hopes to see him soon.”

I just think if the King doesn't ’find time’ to see his son then Harry might well just think ‘sod it’ next time/if he comes over.

I know Harry bad mouthed the family in his book ‘Spare’ but still …

What do you think?

What do you think?

I think the King is astute enough to know that a "full diary" does not prevent him from seeing Harry - however briefly - and that the 'message' he is sending to the public is that he does not want to see him. And that it will be seen as a snub.

Whether there has been any communication between the two privately, we don't know.

I think Harry has been a fool to air his grievances so publicly, that he is emotionally immature, lacks self-awareness and humility. I also believe his background and upbringing has contributed to it.

I also think that blaming Meghan for his sins (as some do) is wrong. He's an adult and made his own choices in life, as we all do, for better or worse. And he still has those choices. But, it was ever thus that women often get the blame for men's behaviour which absolves them of the responsibility of their own actions which, it seems, women somehow have to 'manage'.

As has been mentioned, Charles was not uncritical of his own upbringing, and this gets to the heart of the matter. For however much the RF portray themselves as living the 'normal' family life as the rest of us, they don't. Their great privileges also demand huge personal sacrifices in the sense that they cannot, like the rest of us, do what they want or have the same freedoms, nor the privacy. Their public duties may not seem arduous to those of us struggling to get by on a daily basis, but they are basically a strait-jacket; their lives are 'ordained' by their heritage.

It's all rather sad, not that I spend too much time thinking about the matter. But families around the globe estrange each other, too, it seems to be par for the course of human nature. I would like to see a reconciliation between these two, father and son, but that's probably because I'm old and a bit sad about 'life'... we think we have time on our side and then, in the blink of an eye, it's gone...

Speaking in the church where his parents were married, Prince Harry gave a Bible reading from Isaiah which talked of stopping “the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil”.

Mr Markle has absolutely no self awareness. Having spent 5 years pointing his finger at his father, his brother, his step mother, his sister in law and various unnamed relatives, to anyone who would listen but he's now standing up in a church preaching about the perils of it. As for speaking of evil... he just needs to stand in front of a mirror with Mrs Markle. His hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is breathtaking. I'm glad that none of his relatives, apart from an aunt and uncle, bothered to go and support him. He's reaping what he's sown.

Looking at the pics of Harry arriving at St Pauls, he looks happier than we have seen him look in a while. I’m actually glad Meghan didn’t come with him, it was his day with * his* “ tribe” and she would only have attempted to divert the attention to herself (as at last years Invictus Games)

Monica 😀 you remember

How could he not?

Wonder if he knows aunt Jane is the wife of Robert Fellowes,
one of the number accused of murdering Diana

Harry was supported at St Paul's Cathedral by the presence of His Aunt Jane Fellowes and Earl Spencer his Uncle.

Sparklefizz

I agree Smileless. The King is hosting a garden party today which will have been arranged many months ago and probably last year. Harry or his PR team suggesting he would see his father was to make him look good, and now it looks as if he, Harry, is the rejected victim.

In my view H has a deep psychological need to be seen as the victim and for people to feel sorry for him and he consciously or unconsciously sets up situations where this appears to happen.

Lovely weather for a garden party.

These engagements are arranged months, years in advance as was Harry's service today.

The damage has been done, Harry's PR continues to spread rumours but the Palace maintains a dignified silence.
We only know one side of the story.

Harry unkindly mocked William’s baldness in his book. I see he’s catching up very quickly.

For the King it could be a case of wanting to avoid drama. If there is no contact, there is no story. I wonder if it’s as simple as that.
As it’s all speculation anyway, that is my guess.

He may be forgiven but can he be trusted

Families have become estranged over far less damaging revelations than Harry has done it’s going to be a long time before he is accepted, if ever.

I agree Smileless. The King is hosting a garden party today which will have been arranged many months ago and probably last year. Harry or his PR team suggesting he would see his father was to make him look good, and now it looks as if he, Harry, is the rejected victim.

In my view H has a deep psychological need to be seen as the victim and for people to feel sorry for him and he consciously or unconsciously sets up situations where this appears to happen.

Hmmmm... if I had an adult child, who had married a woman who, from the very beginning, had brought endless drama, accusations and conflict into the family and, to add to that conflict, had since appeared on several TV shows, written a book, been connected to the publication of another book; all of it making accusations of racism, favouritism, bullying and many provable lies..... I'm not at all sure I'd want to spend any time with either of them. I would still love that adult child but I don't think I'd like them very much. If I added to that scenario that I was elderly, and gravely ill; I think I'd have to postpone any contact until I felt physically and mentally stronger. I suspect that Harry and his missus have a great deal of work to do making amends before they ever get back to anything like a working relationship. And Rachel Markle doesn't have a good track record of maintaining successful working relationships does she?

The press would have speculated without a spokesperson for H saying he hoped to be able to see his father, but they had to say it didn't they so if a meeting didn't take place, Charles could be viewed as a heartless and unforgiving father, and poor H the victim.