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Benefit Cheat runs 3 miles daily. Fraudulently claims £70k

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Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 19:42:21

Almost every other week we read one of these stories. Today a woman claiming to have MS and almost unable to walk has been filmed daily by undercover team. They had got clearance to watch her for several months but got so much evidence that they were done in less than 2 weeks.

She was in full running gear and ran 3 miles every day yet when caught turned up in court on crutches and looking very frail. She conned the DSS or whatever they call themselves now out of £70,000.

This is just the tip of the iceberg apparently, some are conning loads more and the system seems to be so easy to cheat that even people whose first language is not English are able to work through it successfully. They often claim for family members who do not even exist.

I don’t understand how this can happen these days with all the technology we have.

I would hate to work anywhere like that knowing that every day you are being ripped off for millions. Why aren’t big brains being used to sort this massive problem once and for all?

eazybee Fri 17-May-24 09:00:23

Immediately there is an expose of a benefit cheat there are loud cries of condemnation of tax evaders to divert attention. There is a distinction between tax evaders and benefit frauds although both are cheats.
Tax evasion is illegal, and these people are dishonest, but they have worked first to earn money and possibly provided employment for many others.

Benefit frauds are people with no intention of working, ever, and their intention is to avoid legitimate paid employment, ie work.

keepcalmandcavachon Fri 17-May-24 09:06:32

I find it insidious that these stories are peddled at the moment, the rate of disablement benefit fraud is so small as compared to those needing it. The amount of people who are struggling to have their needs met needs highlighting pro rata angry

Spuddy Fri 17-May-24 11:23:57

I know/have known people with MS and not one of them can run, let alone do 3+ miles!

Strange how she's fit enough to run but very fragile/on crutches in court!

Apparently jailed for 2 years, good!

Witzend Fri 17-May-24 13:31:05

I don’t see how the fact of ‘bigger fish’ getting away with it, means that we can’t be appalled at anyone quite deliberately conning the taxpayer out of £70k.

Of course the bigger fish should be caught, too. It’d be good to think that Labour would start a serious clampdown. I’m hoping they’ll quickly abolish non-dom status, too. It’s an anachronism, apparently first devised to benefit 18thC Caribbean plantation owners.
Either you’re resident, or you’re not. And if you are, you pay U.K. tax.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 17-May-24 13:44:22

The abolition of non dom status, with effect from the beginning of the next tax year (6April 2025) was announced by Jeremy Hunt in the budget this year. Obviously a lot of people don’t realise this is already happening, and Labour will take advantage of that ignorance by claiming it as their policy. Too late, it’s been done.

Wyllow3 Fri 17-May-24 13:55:50

Labour proposed it in 2022.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61195119
It was their policy.

Wyllow3 Fri 17-May-24 14:12:37

That said, am very glad it's been taken on. Although not due to take place until after the election.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 17-May-24 14:15:50

It couldn’t have been put in place any sooner after the budget as the current tax year started within a couple of weeks.

Wyllow3 Fri 17-May-24 14:25:08

Ah, OK, thanks.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-May-24 14:34:24

Fraud is wrong whoever carries it out, whatever the amount.

HousePlantQueen Fri 17-May-24 16:23:24

Germanshepherdsmum

The abolition of non dom status, with effect from the beginning of the next tax year (6April 2025) was announced by Jeremy Hunt in the budget this year. Obviously a lot of people don’t realise this is already happening, and Labour will take advantage of that ignorance by claiming it as their policy. Too late, it’s been done.

It was a much publicised and criticised Labour proposal which was "stolen" by Hunt.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 17-May-24 16:38:01

Who is to say it wasn’t on the cards anyway after the fuss about Sunak’s wife? But clearly there are people - intelligent people - who don’t know that this is the final year of non dom status.

MissAdventure Sat 18-May-24 13:44:18

eazybee

Immediately there is an expose of a benefit cheat there are loud cries of condemnation of tax evaders to divert attention. There is a distinction between tax evaders and benefit frauds although both are cheats.
Tax evasion is illegal, and these people are dishonest, but they have worked first to earn money and possibly provided employment for many others.

Benefit frauds are people with no intention of working, ever, and their intention is to avoid legitimate paid employment, ie work.

Actually I think it is about 60 percent of people on benefits who are working.

MissAdventure Sat 18-May-24 13:53:50

The main headline figures for the DWP benefits in this report
In the year to August 2022:

the number of people receiving the State Pension rose by 130,000 to 12.6 million

Employment and Support Allowance fell by 6.2% to 1.7 million claimants

Income Support fell by 21% to 170,000 claimants

Jobseeker’s Allowance fell by 35.1% to 89,000 claimants

In the year to November 2022:

Housing Benefit fell by 7.9% to 2.5 million claimants

It's you pensioners who are on the rise...

JaneJudge Sat 18-May-24 14:14:14

The benefit fraud rate for dla/pip is less than 0.05%
I sure lots of people who currently have to claim it would love to be able to walk, let alone run

JaneJudge Sat 18-May-24 14:14:58

Employment and Support Allowance fell by 6.2% to 1.7 million claimants
this will partly be because they are moving people over to universal credit

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 18-May-24 14:17:40

What about UC, MissA? Some of the benefits you mention now come under the UC umbrella I think, which would at least in part account for falling numbers (and rising UC claims?).

MissAdventure Sat 18-May-24 14:20:25

Yes, that's the reason, overall, I'm sure.
I hadn't thought of that at all.

MissAdventure Sat 18-May-24 14:48:10

The benefit fraud rate for dla/pip is less than 0.05.
That doesnt strike me as something we would read about every other week.

arthur1960 Sat 18-May-24 15:13:37

It's essential to balance fraud prevention with the need to provide timely and compassionate support to those genuinely in need. Overly aggressive measures might deter or delay rightful claims, causing undue hardship.

eazybee Sat 18-May-24 15:40:58

Benefit frauds are people with no intention of working, ever, and their intention is to avoid legitimate paid employment, ie work.

As I said, it is benefit frauds who are not working and have no intention of working.
I did not class 'people receiving benefits'. as frauds.

Primrose53 Sat 18-May-24 15:46:57

£53.9 MILLION defrauded over 4 years.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68774242

petra Sat 18-May-24 15:54:02

its you pensioners who are on the rise
I’m sure there’s a cunning plan to kill us off 😂

MissAdventure Sat 18-May-24 16:02:52

grin

vegansrock Sun 19-May-24 05:04:25

Those who investigate benefit fraud have their hands tied in many ways. There maybe the type who claims to be wheelchair bound but posts pictures on FB of themselves playing golf - but investigators cannot “invade privacy” by checking claimants social media. The Bulgarian gang who used hundreds of identities got away with it for so long as staff do not have the time / expertise or resources to follow through checks - many of which they aren’t allowed to do anyway. An ex police officer friend got involved in benefit fraud investigation and told me they just weren’t allowed to investigate properly as they weren’t given police powers.