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Benefit Cheat runs 3 miles daily. Fraudulently claims £70k

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Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 19:42:21

Almost every other week we read one of these stories. Today a woman claiming to have MS and almost unable to walk has been filmed daily by undercover team. They had got clearance to watch her for several months but got so much evidence that they were done in less than 2 weeks.

She was in full running gear and ran 3 miles every day yet when caught turned up in court on crutches and looking very frail. She conned the DSS or whatever they call themselves now out of £70,000.

This is just the tip of the iceberg apparently, some are conning loads more and the system seems to be so easy to cheat that even people whose first language is not English are able to work through it successfully. They often claim for family members who do not even exist.

I don’t understand how this can happen these days with all the technology we have.

I would hate to work anywhere like that knowing that every day you are being ripped off for millions. Why aren’t big brains being used to sort this massive problem once and for all?

Witzend Fri 17-May-24 13:31:05

I don’t see how the fact of ‘bigger fish’ getting away with it, means that we can’t be appalled at anyone quite deliberately conning the taxpayer out of £70k.

Of course the bigger fish should be caught, too. It’d be good to think that Labour would start a serious clampdown. I’m hoping they’ll quickly abolish non-dom status, too. It’s an anachronism, apparently first devised to benefit 18thC Caribbean plantation owners.
Either you’re resident, or you’re not. And if you are, you pay U.K. tax.

Spuddy Fri 17-May-24 11:23:57

I know/have known people with MS and not one of them can run, let alone do 3+ miles!

Strange how she's fit enough to run but very fragile/on crutches in court!

Apparently jailed for 2 years, good!

keepcalmandcavachon Fri 17-May-24 09:06:32

I find it insidious that these stories are peddled at the moment, the rate of disablement benefit fraud is so small as compared to those needing it. The amount of people who are struggling to have their needs met needs highlighting pro rata angry

eazybee Fri 17-May-24 09:00:23

Immediately there is an expose of a benefit cheat there are loud cries of condemnation of tax evaders to divert attention. There is a distinction between tax evaders and benefit frauds although both are cheats.
Tax evasion is illegal, and these people are dishonest, but they have worked first to earn money and possibly provided employment for many others.

Benefit frauds are people with no intention of working, ever, and their intention is to avoid legitimate paid employment, ie work.

Primrose53 Fri 17-May-24 08:57:27

So nobody is bothered that fraudsters are ripping off the system and people who genuinely qualify for benefits might not be getting what they need?

Nobody has any ideas on how the system could be made secure either?

HelterSkelter1 Fri 17-May-24 07:49:43

For once I cannot say "change your reading matter" as it was covered on the BBC website which is where I read it. I expect the gutter press will jump on it of course in great detail. But hey that's what they do.

MissAdventure Thu 16-May-24 23:20:20

All I can say us that if these people find it all so easy, they could have a side job helping out those of in genuine need, who find it totally demeaning, dehumanising, exhausting and frightening and difficult.

Callistemon21 Thu 16-May-24 23:05:21

Germanshepherdsmum

Biglouis is talking about tax avoidance, which is entirely legal. How many times does the difference between avoidance and evasion have to be explained?

I meant cheating the benefit system and tax evasion.

Callistemon21 Thu 16-May-24 23:04:23

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax avoidance is not cheating. Do you have ISAs? That’s tax avoidance.

I know.

But tax evasion is cheating.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 16-May-24 22:55:28

Tax avoidance is not cheating. Do you have ISAs? That’s tax avoidance.

Barbadosbelle Thu 16-May-24 22:55:22

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There's a difference between 'Tax Avoidance' and 'Tax Evasion'.

I do whatever I can to reduce my tax at do most people and take advantage of Government schemes that allow me to do so.

I have a friend who absolutely sneers at me if she becomes aware that I've bought something from Amazon (which I do - a lot!). Quote - "No way would I buy anything from those b******s until they pay proper tax in the UK". I

I've repeatedly explanned that they aren't doing anything illegal and if she doesn't like it she should campaign for a change in the Law. But she won't of course as (a) she likes moaning and camplaining, and (b) as my Great Aunt Lil would have said, 'she's all mouth and no trousers'!!

I was ready with information details re off-shore accounts, Family Trust set-ups and a Family Charity if I won last Tuesdays Euro lottery.

I didn't win! But if I ever do. I would be immediately looking at ways to legally and ethically limit my tax liabilities.

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Callistemon21 Thu 16-May-24 22:54:19

It's not a case of either or.

It's all cheating.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 16-May-24 22:53:17

Biglouis is talking about tax avoidance, which is entirely legal. How many times does the difference between avoidance and evasion have to be explained?

Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 22:51:30

biglouis

Because people on benefit are an easy mark and "low hanging fruit". Whereas the big corporations and the super rich with their hedge funds and off shore accounts have clever lawyers and tax accountants. Thats why they are not paying their share of tax.

Maybe start another thread biglouis.🙂

Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 22:50:26

VioletSky

It does upset me that people do this, I work and live in pain every day, some days all I can do is work and nothing for quality of life afterwards due to pain and exhaustion

I don't know how people do this and face the world... I would feel terrible

I have met many people like you and I really feel for you. Like you, I don’t know how people who take money from genuinely needy people can live with themselves.

Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 22:45:09

Greyisnotmycolour

Criminals operate everywhere. In 2023 £2.3 billion was lost to scams in the UK. The state will get scammed as will individual citizens, it's a fact of life. Some criminals will claim benefits as their preferred crime, it does not mean all benefit claimants are criminals. Many disabled people feel like they are treated like criminals when trying to make legitimate claims.

Nobody has suggested that and as the OP I certainly did not.🙂

Primrose53 Thu 16-May-24 22:44:03

MaizieD

I think it's time the OP changed her reading matter.

There have been countless TV programmes about this too. It has been going on for years with no sign of improvement.

A few years back I tried to help a very elderly lady who had a middle aged Down’s syndrome daughter. They were getting very little in the way of help. If anybody deserved help they did. We had to fill in lots of forms and provide lots of evidence so I am questioning how it seems so easy to get round the system and claim benefits you are not entitled to.

Wyllow3 Thu 16-May-24 22:40:56

That was answering Luckygirl3.

Cabbie21 Thu 16-May-24 22:40:01

An interesting read, Wyllow3, but that report was written in 2008. Things seemed bad then but sound a lot worse now.

Wyllow3 Thu 16-May-24 22:39:55

You'd have to read a different newspaper.

Greyisnotmycolour Thu 16-May-24 22:19:34

Criminals operate everywhere. In 2023 £2.3 billion was lost to scams in the UK. The state will get scammed as will individual citizens, it's a fact of life. Some criminals will claim benefits as their preferred crime, it does not mean all benefit claimants are criminals. Many disabled people feel like they are treated like criminals when trying to make legitimate claims.

Luckygirl3 Thu 16-May-24 22:16:30

Can someone please start a thread about decent people honestly claiming benefits? Ah, no .... that would be difficult because we do not hear about them and there are so many of them that they are not newsworthy.

MaizieD Thu 16-May-24 22:08:06

I think it's time the OP changed her reading matter.

Wyllow3 Thu 16-May-24 22:08:05

Worth reading this in terms of delivery of the system, which is overloaded and struggling - end result, people in need don't get help, and cheating possible.

www.jrf.org.uk/problems-in-the-delivery-of-benefits-tax-credits-and-employment-services

biglouis Thu 16-May-24 21:57:07

Because people on benefit are an easy mark and "low hanging fruit". Whereas the big corporations and the super rich with their hedge funds and off shore accounts have clever lawyers and tax accountants. Thats why they are not paying their share of tax.