Gransnet forums

Chat

How do you know if you're dead dead?? šŸ¤”šŸ„“šŸ’€

(148 Posts)
Poppyred Sun 19-May-24 06:52:21

After reading the Anaesthetic thread, this reminded me of my worst fear…..I have this dread of being in my coffin and still being aware of what’s happening. I don’t mean being pronounced dead by mistake…..

Buttonjugs Tue 21-May-24 16:20:58

karmalady

Poppyred, that silken thread which remains intact until you have permission to leave. It is invisible and your soul/energy will never remain in the confines of a coffin or a funeral home. Don`t fear that your soul/energy/essence will be trapped in your body. It won`t be. That is the time when you will be free to `visit` family and friends, some of whom will sense your presence. The funeral or just saying those words `you can go` will undo that silken thread and the spirit will become completely free

Sorry but this is utter nonsense. Once we’re dead we’re not going to feel anything, because everything you experience is via the brain. And once your brain is dead you won’t feel a thing. It’s impossible. But I have told my kids to wait a fortnight before my cremation to make sure I am dead!

MissInterpreted Tue 21-May-24 16:17:08

Beau1958

I can’t believe what I’m reading g here of course you are going to be dead the mortuary embalms the body where you blood is replaced with fluid !!

Embalming is not carried out as a matter of routine here in the UK - only when requested by the family of the deceased, I believe.

HousePlantQueen Tue 21-May-24 16:16:10

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think it would be possible MissA, except possibly through hypnosis. They say that a child’s memory of a past life fades very early on but this has been with me for as long as I can remember. I do believe in reincarnation and I have thought about hypnosis to retrieve memories, but I might discover something I would rather not know so have left well alone.

That's fascinating. A happy memory I assume?

Poppyred Tue 21-May-24 15:55:04

Germanshepherdsmum

RosiesMaw has very good reason for how she feels today Poppyred. Not only is she widowed and the mother of a baby who died soon after birth, she has suffered two bereavements in the last week.

Should she be following this thread then? Probably not.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 21-May-24 15:38:52

RosiesMaw has very good reason for how she feels today Poppyred. Not only is she widowed and the mother of a baby who died soon after birth, she has suffered two bereavements in the last week.

OldFrill Tue 21-May-24 15:24:44

Beau1958

I can’t believe what I’m reading g here of course you are going to be dead the mortuary embalms the body where you blood is replaced with fluid !!

In the UK only around 50% of bodies are embalmed.

Poppyred Tue 21-May-24 15:07:55

RosiesMaw

I think for anybody who has sat with a loved one as they took their last breath, this thread must seem puerile, fatuous and totally unnecessary not to mention hurtful.
I have, twice and while for a moment I could have imagined their eyes snapping open and them asking ā€œWhat are you all doing here?ā€ there was no doubt. But even in hospital, when life support had been withdrawn, death had to be certified by a doctor.
All this panicking about being buried alive and slitting wrists is the stuff of horror movies and not very good ones at that.
Grow up.

Taking yourself a little too seriously today RosiesMaw ?? If we want to talk about it, we will.

Beau1958 Tue 21-May-24 14:46:54

I can’t believe what I’m reading g here of course you are going to be dead the mortuary embalms the body where you blood is replaced with fluid !!

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 14:31:36

arum

Brain loses function after 4 - 5 minutes. Heart and kidneys after 30 minutes. Liver after 1 - 2 hours. Lungs after 2 to 4 hours.
Even after our breathing and heartbeat stop, we remain conscious for about two to 20 seconds.
Brain waves from the cerebral cortex soon become undetectable. Even so, it can take hours for our thinking organ to fully shut down.

Ugh, is that right?

Don't like the sound of that at all as I await my daughter's Inquest. Have you a source for that please?

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 14:28:20

Whiff

If you have seen a dead person then you know what death looks like and its not pretty . I have watched 3 people die and seen 2 dead bodies hours after they died.
Once dead unless they do CPR then you are gone. Even with CPR there is no guarantee you will live.
Best friend did CPR on her husband until the paramedics arrived and they worked on him for 20 mins . She lost track how many shocks they gave him. But she knew he was dead even when she did CPR.

To be honest when I died that's it no CPR. Those that have loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer's know that they die long before their bodies . It's quality of life not quantity that's important.

So why worry about whether or not you are dead. If worried then leave instructions that they stick a big needle or scalpel into your arm.

Yes, and it isn't a pleasant sight, especially when it is your own daughter you find who had been dead for maybe 12 hours.

I've also been with many people as they died and that isn't as bad, assuming they've been kept pain free etc.

There now seems to be a growing amount of talk about DNR orders, and that they are being placed on people without consent, in many hospitals in the UK. A lot of people are saying it is happening to those over 60, which is a terrifying thought. Many others are saying that they have been harassed into signing one for themselves or their loved ones.

However, I do think people are confused about what exactly a Do Not Resuscitate order is, so I hope this can be of some use. It doesn't mean that you'll be refused life sustaining treatment, eg anti-biotics, it's only that you won't be resuscitated should you die of a cardiac arrest. BUT DNR is not a suitable thing for anyone elderly - my SIL recently had to perform Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) on a lady in her 90's who'd had a heart attack as she & her family insisted that she be resuscitated should it happen. As you age your bones become more brittle and many people suffer from osteoporosis. Being pummelled in the chest at any age can break ribs, but in this lady over 90, it caused her to be FLAT when they had finished, obviously not bringing her back to life. The staff were devastated, but had to do it.

I also performed CPR on a 39 year old neighbour and friend when I was 8 months pregnant. I worked on him for 30 mins as the ambulance couldn't find where we were - new housing estate and the road sign was placed just around the corner were they couldn't see it from the road. After I called the council the following morning it was moved by teatime! I didn't get him back, and neither did the paramedics when they finally found us. It was awful and I doubted my practice, but they said had they been stood by him with the de-fib, they still wouldn't have been able to bring him back. My GP who arrived to certify the death was rather cross with me, but my husband was useless and his wife had no idea - how could I not have done it for a friend ...?

I believe that my dreadfully stressful pregnancy (my dad died when I was 7 months pregnant, and I drove from Scotland to S Yorkshire every 2 weeks for 2 days during the whole time) and took my finals at 5 months pregnant) had a devastating effect on my daughter, who screamed with colic after she was born (Unplanned caesarean) for 17 months. I am sure that all that had an impact on her developing a serious psychiatric disorder culminating in her death. Sorry I've gone off track, but it helps me to write about it ...

RosiesMaw Tue 21-May-24 14:13:47

I think for anybody who has sat with a loved one as they took their last breath, this thread must seem puerile, fatuous and totally unnecessary not to mention hurtful.
I have, twice and while for a moment I could have imagined their eyes snapping open and them asking ā€œWhat are you all doing here?ā€ there was no doubt. But even in hospital, when life support had been withdrawn, death had to be certified by a doctor.
All this panicking about being buried alive and slitting wrists is the stuff of horror movies and not very good ones at that.
Grow up.

arum Tue 21-May-24 13:58:56

Brain loses function after 4 - 5 minutes. Heart and kidneys after 30 minutes. Liver after 1 - 2 hours. Lungs after 2 to 4 hours.
Even after our breathing and heartbeat stop, we remain conscious for about two to 20 seconds.
Brain waves from the cerebral cortex soon become undetectable. Even so, it can take hours for our thinking organ to fully shut down.

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 13:47:06

pably15

I have a fear of being buried alive too, and have often joked ( not really a joke ) that I want a bell in my hand just in case. I watched a film 2 or 3 weeks ago about a guy on his stag night, his pals, for a laugh buried him in a coffin drilled a hole in it and put a tube through it so he could breath, intending to come back for him, but they were all killed in a car crash, and he was left, oh I might opt for just being proped up in a comfy chair with the tv remote in one hand...and a glass of wine in the other, and if the wine's still there the next day...you'll know I'm dead..

Yes that one was rather terrifying wasn't it!

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 13:43:14

grandtanteJE65

Honestly, I cannot take this seriously.

Do none of you know the procedure that must be followed both by the attending physician who writes the death certificate and by the hospital staff and the undertaker?

Perhaps you should look into it, so you can stop worrying about something that is exceedingly unlikely to happen.

Umm during the pandemic my SIL did it over Facetime as the GP wouldn't come! Didn't get the fee for it obviously!

But yo are right, there is no doubt, the dead DO look DEAD!

pably15 Tue 21-May-24 13:16:36

I have a fear of being buried alive too, and have often joked ( not really a joke ) that I want a bell in my hand just in case. I watched a film 2 or 3 weeks ago about a guy on his stag night, his pals, for a laugh buried him in a coffin drilled a hole in it and put a tube through it so he could breath, intending to come back for him, but they were all killed in a car crash, and he was left, oh I might opt for just being proped up in a comfy chair with the tv remote in one hand...and a glass of wine in the other, and if the wine's still there the next day...you'll know I'm dead..

RosiesMaw Tue 21-May-24 13:15:29

If you had been garrotted you'd be pretty dead.

RosiesMaw Tue 21-May-24 13:14:14

NanaSoo

Don’t worry about it, they cut your garroted artery to ensure that you are dead. Not nice but at least you can’t be buried alive

Do you mean carotid artery?

therustyfairy Tue 21-May-24 13:13:14

Love the witty remarks on Gransnet.
Amongst different Buddhist traditions there are varied beliefs and pracises on the subject.

It is said there are Six Realms that we can be reborn into. Depending on their nature and our level of realisation, these Realms have different lengths of time for staying there. However, all are temporary resting places in the end and our consciousness moves on and is reborn again. And there is a way out. In each realm there is a Buddha and Bodhisattvas who can lead us to freedom and enlightenment which is believed to be the final resting place.

There is no Buddhist instruction about what to do with the dead body that is NOT dependent on the culture of that country, except the Tibetan advice 'not touch or move the body for 8-12 hours'. It is believed touching the body before the consciousness has left forces it out of the body.

However, I have heard of one Buddhist culture where the head is tapped three times to release consciousness before the body is moved. This quick act of kindness will do for me and allay any fears that my spirit/soul/essence will be trapped in a body that I have no longer use for. A positive spiritual intervention that opposes the negative aspects of the DNR.

Pamela's stake through the 🧔 idea seems quite plausible given the state of the NHS, perhaps the stake will soon be available on prescription.

RosiesMaw Tue 21-May-24 13:12:39

ranorman45

Hence the expression saved by the bell!

The "bell" signalled the end of a boxing bout.

Honestly, the tosh things I have read on this thread!gringringrin

RosiesMaw Tue 21-May-24 13:09:05

yaiyai

We arranged for the undertaker to slit mother’s wrist. If it doesn’t bleed you’re definitely dead lol

That is frankly ridiculous

yaiyai Tue 21-May-24 12:28:29

We arranged for the undertaker to slit mother’s wrist. If it doesn’t bleed you’re definitely dead lol

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 12:26:45

Spinnaker

Just in case I'm having a mobile phone put in with me just before the lid goes on
grin grin

Quite bizarrely you would think, my daughter who committed suicide 2 years ago, only 29 , wanted her eyes covered with pennies so that 'she could pay the ferryman'. I bought some old pennies and she went off with them on her eyes - her father would have gone nuts had he known, but then he didn't know her.

She wasn't religious, but she was 'spiritual' and I dearly hope she is now galloping across those Elysian Fields on her beloved horses ... and is finally at peace from her demons.

An Inquest for her would be useful ...

MadeInYorkshire Tue 21-May-24 12:17:06

Poppyred

What I meant was, what if we are still aware of what’s going on even if we are dead? 😱

My dad always said that it can't be too bad as nobody has ever come back!

Mind you he also said that he's let me know if he could and he never has ...

Be comforted, once you are dead, you do 'look dead', there is no doubt, but you could stipulate the bell in the coffin like the Victorians did?

PoemPoet107 Tue 21-May-24 12:08:08

Frightens the heck out of me, waking up when I am in the crem furnace. I used to work for a Will company and you could have a clause put in to have your wrists slashed so if you weren't dead you would soon die from blood loss. Creepy. Let's not try to think of that.

Whiff Tue 21-May-24 12:06:03

If you have seen a dead person then you know what death looks like and its not pretty . I have watched 3 people die and seen 2 dead bodies hours after they died.
Once dead unless they do CPR then you are gone. Even with CPR there is no guarantee you will live.
Best friend did CPR on her husband until the paramedics arrived and they worked on him for 20 mins . She lost track how many shocks they gave him. But she knew he was dead even when she did CPR.

To be honest when I died that's it no CPR. Those that have loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer's know that they die long before their bodies . It's quality of life not quantity that's important.

So why worry about whether or not you are dead. If worried then leave instructions that they stick a big needle or scalpel into your arm.