Angela Rayner ghastly trouser suit

"There are several on gn who have been partners in a city law firm, there are at least two to my knowledge who have been barristers, quite a few successful solicitors and definitely one who is still a judge.
Not everyone likes to discuss their place in your perceived Gransnet hierarchy.
Your far from subtle sneer at teachers and office workers has not gone unnoticed.
I’m afraid any previous respect I may have had for you is dwindling"

"she was really 'into' her job and was brilliant at it."

Both of these comments, for which I thank you, LauraNorderr and Kate1949.

I agree, Merlotgran ,that AR needs some advice because it would be a shame to have her dress sense overshadow her political ability. I wish her all the luck in the world. She is an example of achievement.
On the world stage I think her beauty and brains will be appreciated.

We’ve all made the mistake of falling in love with an outfit that looks great in a catalogue/on the rail/ in the changing room lighting and then when you wear it to somewhere special you wish you could turn the clock back and choose something else.

Absolutely, darling!

I wonder what they are saying on MN? 😄

Commenting on one’s outfit is one thing, suggesting that they are “tarts” is entirely another!

Yes. But I wonder why you mention that in connection with my posts which have not used the word tarts at all.
🤷

The dress is ok, but like a lot of clothes it looks a lot better on a tall, thin, small busted woman.

I noticed at the back of the Me+Em catalogue which arrived today (now perused and in the recycling) that they have a personal styling service. That’s what AR needs.

Dickens

Whether we agree with them or not (and I don't), GSM is as entitled as anyone else to her views.

She has not directed her attack on any poster on here.

I'd also point out that there have been topics and threads where Boris Johnson (and others) have come under scrutiny, and some pretty dire observations made about his appearance, his morals, and his character (often well deserved IMO) - to the extent that some GNetters have complained of a hate-campaign against him.

Are there lines not to be crossed? I think so - denigrating someone for their ethnicity, physical defect or impediment, but GSM did not do that.

I think we are all judgemental to some degree or other - I like to kid myself that I'm not, but in reality I know that I am and, in private, have made some pretty severe observations about politicians, and people in general, but on social media, use a sieve before posting. Clearly, GSM doesn't filter her opinion - but unless using banned terminology, she's not obliged to do that.

Why am I defending her? In the interests of free speech; I personally don't want a social media site where opinions and views can only be expressed via a prescribed, reformist, narrative.

Dickens Sat 06-Jul-24 11:31:40

I agree Dickens
I pointed that out earlier but less eloquently than you.

Some of the attacks on Germanshepherdsmum have been quite vicious and spiteful.
She has not attacked other posters, just posted her thoughts on a politician. I wouldn't use the terms she used but I have, in fact, seen far worse used on Gransnet against other politicians.

Maybe tarts in the leafy Tory shires wear expensive trouser suits

I think how you present yourself is important. I don't doubt you can be good at your job, whatever you look like but you should take the trouble to put some effort in. Not one of the ladies in the new cabinet looked good, alright to pop out and do the shopping maybe but not for the position they hold. Appearance do matter if you want to be taken seriously. Starmers wife looked the part, she understands the importance obviously.

GSM while I appreciate that you offer legal advice to many, I would suggest that most lawyers are aware of the implications of offering legal advice without the necessary insurance.
The other point I would raise is that not all have conveyancing, property and family law as their area of expertise. You seem to have all that covered.
The Liz Truss matter is a cheap shot but if that’s all you’ve got…

We’ve all made the mistake of falling in love with an outfit that looks great in a catalogue/on the rail/ in the changing room lighting and then when you wear it to somewhere special you wish you could turn the clock back and choose something else.

Last year I wore a navy dress with white spots to a 25th wedding anniversary do. It was a posh afternoon tea and the dress code was lounge suits and smart day dresses.

On the day I thought it was a disaster. The spots were too large and the length too long for the sandals I was wearing. The waistline ‘moved about’ I needed a wide belt.

I shudder when I look at the photos. DD says I looked nice but I know she’s lying.

If I was Angela Rayner, now she’s in the position she is, I would get some fashion advice PDQ because nothing saps your confidence more than being criticised for your appearance and knowing deep down the critics are right.

Germanshepherdsmum

Didn’t like AR’s dress today either. I think she’s in need of some advice and a full length mirror.

Ooh, I liked it.

I just hope she was wearing a thermal vest and knickers underneath.

"Are you wearing your vest, Angela? You'll catch your death of cold going out like that"
I'm beginning to sound like my mother.

dragonfly46

I had an aunt who, whenever I had a new item of clothing, even when I was 12, would say it was tarty. It was her favourite word. My mum and I used to laugh about it.

Perhaps you should have been a politician?

Oops! Maybe you are???

I think DanniRae has hit the nail on the head.
I worked in the Civil Service for many years. I once worked with a woman who was in a very high powered position. She used to come to work looking like a bag lady. She didn't give two hoots about clothes but she was really 'into' her job and was brilliant at it. She came to work on a motorbike, wearing leathers. She took her crash helmet off and her hair would stick up at all angles. That's how it stayed all day. She had one suit for meetings which was usually creased.
I was in the ladies one day when she came in to change out of her leathers. She didn't go into a cubicle but got changed in front of me. Her knickers were baggy and grey (probably once white). Her usual office attire was a sweatshirt and joggers.

Joseann

The last two posts show this discussion should probably be under Chat or Style. I just want to discuss clothes and fashion, related to the wearer's shape and colouring.

Good idea.
Maybe the OP could ask for it to be moved?

Yes. Most of my stuff is Me+Em and I always have to shorten the trousers. However, their knitwear is spot on for me which is great because I need warmth and comfort.
I always think dresses are problematic especially for the short and pear-shaped.

Frankly Laura I don’t give a damn. You obviously know how I felt when Truss crashed the economy, knowing you as a party member had supported her election as leader.

I wonder why this silent army of lawyers doesn’t offer advice to those seeking it on GN, often in very difficult situations? You will always see me trying to help.

Doodledog my post of 12.15.26 was badly worded.

I dislike name calling and unfounded accusations tart is a rather outdated term, don’t think I have heard it in real life since a teen.

I am 5’2” fortunately I have a very good friend who is an excellent tailor/seamstress.

It's not being 'on the side' of a politician to object to women being called 'tarts' though. I would defend any woman against that accusation, even if I were simultaneously criticising her views.

Me&M have done well out of this election . I suspect they offered discounts to those who agreed to wear their clothes this week. Both the orange/red dresses are lovely, IMO. They send me their catalogues, but I don't think I have bought anything, as they are designed for taller women. I ordered some trousers once, but sent them back as I'd have had to cut so much off the bottom that the line would have been ruined.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have yet to come across someone else on GN who was a partner in a City law firm. I had to dress accordingly (and, Casdon, that doesn’t constitute being up myself).. I expect the deputy PM to dress to similar standards and don’t consider that unreasonable. She’s not a teacher or an office worker - in the absence of the PM she is in charge of the country.

There are several on gn who have been partners in a city law firm, there are at least two to my knowledge who have been barristers, quite a few successful solicitors and definitely one who is still a judge.
Not everyone likes to discuss their place in your perceived Gransnet hierarchy.
Your far from subtle sneer at teachers and office workers has not gone unnoticed.
I’m afraid any previous respect I may have had for you is dwindling.

This is the first time I have seen what this thread is all about!! In my opinion that is NOT acid green. I think it is a lovely green and it definitely DOES suit her. I also think that maybe it is linen and linen is a disaster to wear after a few hours...especially if you have been sitting down.
I guess if she looks at the photos of herself on the day she wore it she will know that by now
I am also guessing that she is so pleased by the election outcome she really couldn't give two hoots about a crumpled trouser suit!

I cannot believe I am on the side of a Labour Politician 🙈🙉🙊

tickingbird

^I agree. I have never seen so much bitchiness on a thread in GN. I am totally shocked!^

Oh get over yourself!

Rude, people are only expressing a opinion,no need fir the put down because you don't like it.

This is the dress AR is wearing today.

(Yes I am guilty of finger shopping meandem.com sale, with and extra 15% off 🙀, I need to go and do something useful)