Southport murders *GNHQ has corrected title*

What difference does it make that you know his name ?

I'm glad he was named before his 18th birthday. This crime was so hideous that exceptional circumstances were called for.

I don't think the comment about working in a theatre and a grievance is helpful. That's just speculating all over again. The bottom line is that he is an evil monster.

Well I live here and had heard a name bandied about, but it was fake.

Now his actual name and photos of him have been released.

The Times reported this boy has worked in theatre - London even, so I have a feeling this attack on a dance workshop, the definite target, was somehow related. Some grievance - real or imagined?

Yes everyone heard the name days ago.

All reporting restrictions have been lifted as well.

Jaxjacky I have just heard that.

It is the name that accompanied a picture of the arrest which has been all over the internet.

Hes been named. Will be 18 in a week so restrictions would have only lasted days.

He has now been named.

It's not a cop out or get out of "jail card" at all.

People are still charged and jailed after psychiatric assessments that acknowledge illness - the CPA and police have to decide if that person is "fit to plea"

"What happens if you are unfit to plead?

If the Crown Court decides that you're unfit to plead, it will do a trial of the facts and decide whether you did the crime. If it decides you didn't do the crime, it will acquit you.

If it decides you did do the crime, the court can: Give you a hospital order under section 37 or 37/41.

Definitely not a sane motive Whitewave but many still cling
to evil as the cause

The 17 year old has now been named.

Anniebach

On GransNet there is no problem deciding evil or mentally ill

I am not saying that he is mentally I’ll - I haven’t a clue.

What I am saying is that is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

I simply can’t take on board that anyone would commit such an act without having a mental health issue.

What would a sane person”s motive be to set about little girls with a knife?

There isn’t a sane motive is there?

On GransNet there is no problem deciding evil or mentally ill

I suppose Saville, if he had been exposed in his lifetime, could have cited MH. Sometimes we should accept that some people are knowingly wicked

Callistemon213

At some point we have to decide what the meaning of 'child' is in the UK. The legal definition is now 18 but:

If 16 year olds are considered old enough to vote, get married (with parental consent), engage in sexual activity, join HM Forces (albeit not go to an area of conflict until 18) but not allowed to drink alcohol in a pub, be named if they commit multiple murders, no wonder the public is confused.

I have a 16yo, he is very much still a child

Callistemon213

At some point we have to decide what the meaning of 'child' is in the UK. The legal definition is now 18 but:

If 16 year olds are considered old enough to vote, get married (with parental consent), engage in sexual activity, join HM Forces (albeit not go to an area of conflict until 18) but not allowed to drink alcohol in a pub, be named if they commit multiple murders, no wonder the public is confused.

Salient point AGAA4, seems to cover a gamut of conditions from feeling fed up to the urge to commit murderous rampages, I fear the lines of have been blurred on what is of course serious disorder, such as bi polar . Drugs have of course played their part in some people's descent into mental health problems.

Callistemon "At some point we have to decide what the meaning of "child" is in the UK, the legal definition is now 18 but.." If 16 year olds get the vote then I do think that definition will have to be changed, although as with any arbitrary age there will always be anomalies, particularly with that demographic when some would argue a fair proportion will not have reached the optimum age for making serious informed decisions.

What difference would it make to you if you knew his name?

His family will be targeted and have probably been moved to a place of safety, the fewer people know the name the better.

a psychopath suffers from total lack of empathy that “normal” people feel, and are entirely capable of committing dreadful acts without guilt. ..But they do not appear quite sane

On the contrary a psycopath can appear perfectly rational, and even charming. They may even appear to exhibit emotions. However this is similar to the process of "masking" adopted by some neuodivergent people and is not a true reflection of their personality. Psychopaths can be both clever and subtle.

Callistemon213

Rekarie

Some good news, two children have been discharged from hospital this morning.

Oh, thank you, Rekarie

That is very good news indeed. Thank you, Rekarie.

A percentage of the population are psychopaths, and they lead normal, often successful lives.

And that should read quite insane

Time to go back to the garden I think!

Oh sorry - ignore my last post😬

But to answer your question a psychopath suffers from total lack of empathy that “normal” people feel, and are entirely capable of committing dreadful acts without guilt.

But they do not appear quite sane.

Either way it is the only explanation for me that makes sense.

I wasn't criticising your post WWM2. I do know what a psychopath is btw.