Why is this so prevalent in England ?

kircubbin2000

I think this behaviour would lessen if they could stop the flow of single unknown men.

It would go a long way to helping, yes.
Starmer says that faster processing of asylum seekers claims allied to trying to smash the smuggling gangs will work.The first will, the second is just about impossible.

I think this behaviour would lessen if they could stop the flow of single unknown men.

the Left and the do gooders

Any more detail available on these terms please? Are they interchangeable?

Of course, the Left and the do gooders don’t agree with what they say so they have spent several years trying to insist that Britain is racist and stirring up trouble where there really is hardly any. Personally I have seen far less racism over the last, say, 50 years and I felt things were heading in the right direction. Now look, a few weeks into a Labour govt and we are flying back towards square one

Of course Starmer and his “left wing do-gooders” (sic) are single-handedly responsible for the current wave of intolerance and racism
Quite an achievement in 4 weeks
Of course the likes of Farage, Reform, Lee Anderson, the EDL, National Front , Tommy Robinson and all their cronies are as pure as the driven snow? 😇😇😇😇

I agree about Sir Trevor Phillips - a very sharp man. He and several other high profile black people have long said Britain is the least racist country in the world and if it was they would not be in the positions they are today and people would not flock to come and live here.

Of course, the Left and the do gooders don’t agree with what they say so they have spent several years trying to insist that Britain is racist and stirring up trouble where there really is hardly any. Personally I have seen far less racism over the last, say, 50 years and I felt things were heading in the right direction. Now look, a few weeks into a Labour govt and we are flying back towards square one.

At the moment, I am reliably told that in North Finchley pro immigration demonstrators are on one side of a boarded up shopping area, police officers are in the middle and anti something demonstrators are on the other side.
Now I really don’t understand what is the point? My sister has had to cancel her carer in case the carer was caught up in whatever might happen. I just hope that innocent people stay safe.
I don’t see why this is happening. It’s hardly a meeting of minds is it?

Not Close Encounters then?

karmalady
A hostile state intervention is my guess.It’s a worrying world at the moment.☹️

Skydancer
Sir Trevor Phillips wrote a few (8?) years ago about how multi culturalism hasn’t worked well and said it needed a different approach altogether or the problems would increase rather than decrease.He was shouted down by such as Hope Not Hate but actually I think he was correct.
If you google his name and multiculturalism you should find something.He’s a thoughtful intelligent man.

karmalady

I cannot say what has happened at my daughters work, but there was a big incident last night, she is to do with national defence. Very very scary escalation and it won`t be on the news. It is now spreading beyond yobs

Was it UFO's?

Skydancer

Multiculturalism does not work. Cultures that have evolved over centuries cannot necessarily integrate with other cultures which have also evolved over centuries. Different beliefs and values…it’s not rocket science. But it’s too late now. So people have to learn to live together but, human nature being what it is, mostly they don’t. We are stuck with the problems that this has brought upon us which includes terrorism.

Very true.

I cannot say what has happened at my daughters work, but there was a big incident last night, she is to do with national defence. Very very scary escalation and it won`t be on the news. It is now spreading beyond yobs

If you react too harshly you end up with the Tolpuddle Martyrs. It also shows a scared government.

It’s not just the UK many countries are much worse, even in Europe, in Africa the clash between different tribes/cultures can be extremely violent.

That’s part of the problem persecution of a minority in many countries is a routine fact of life, so people leave and claim asylum elsewhere.

Skydancer

Multiculturalism does not work. Cultures that have evolved over centuries cannot necessarily integrate with other cultures which have also evolved over centuries. Different beliefs and values…it’s not rocket science. But it’s too late now. So people have to learn to live together but, human nature being what it is, mostly they don’t. We are stuck with the problems that this has brought upon us which includes terrorism.

How true.
If, like me this is a subject that interests you this is a very good article. hbr.org/1998/07/how-hardwired-is-human-behavior

I heard one if the rioting yobs being interviewed ( he was not a youngster ) and he said that he did not mind these people coming over and building mosques in England as long as he could go over a build a mosque in their country. The mind boggles at the ignorance.

Oreo

Floradora9

I cannot understand the mentality of those people , mostly men , causing so much damage in England at the moment. We are all shocked at the murders in Southport but why are they damaging and even looting shops ? This mentality of keeping England for the English is not found in Wales or Scotland but it is found in nothern Ireland . I see them waving flags of Saint George and rioting in so many cities. If the killer of these childen had been say French would they feel the same ? I am sure colour comes into it . I saw someone orchestrating the youths to cause havoc what are their parents thinking they are up to . I must admit I dispair of the mentality of these people .

You live in France? If so am not sure why you are surprised as the French enjoy a riot at the drop of a hat.
There have been riots here on and off about all sorts of things, the poll tax riots, the miners and Tottenham riots to mention but a few.
There’s always a reason even if it’s an underlying one.This time it’s about immigration.

I do not live in France . I pointed out that if the murdered had been from a European country riots would not have happened.

There have always been arrangements to deal speedily with rioters, with civil disorder. That’s because it tends to reduce its likelihood.
There is no comparison with that and with mass murder

Multiculturalism does not work. Cultures that have evolved over centuries cannot necessarily integrate with other cultures which have also evolved over centuries. Different beliefs and values…it’s not rocket science. But it’s too late now. So people have to learn to live together but, human nature being what it is, mostly they don’t. We are stuck with the problems that this has brought upon us which includes terrorism.

I'm not saying these actions speak for all NF supporters, but they do for some.

Just to be clear, Im not racist so I don't understand racists.

In any large group of people there can be a break away group of nutters, like when Muslims as a whole get blamed for something that a Muslim break off group does- or when Christians as a while get blamed for an abusive Priest... or when any large group is blamed for the actions of a minority group.

So even in the NF brigade there are these- not lone nutters, but organised racist nutters.

Does this mean that Guardian readers do not read widely? It is apparent that in fact many Gransnet readers are extremely well informed and there are many knowledgeable and well argued opinions aired on this site (as well as the odd ignorant one!

Racingsparrow

I take you are a Guardian reader, to them everyone who does not agree with the are far right, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Very few people on gransnet seem to read widely. The internet allows us to read views from around the world. Gransnet however seems fixated on Brexit with some peculiar ideas about those who voted for it.

'Very few people on gransnet seem to read widely' .
How do you know this? Please justify.

Mt61

Whitewavemark2

A far right group is sharing the names and addresses of all the immigrant related charities.

“A far-right Telgram group with 13,000 members is sharing a list of 39 immigration-related charities, advice centres and solicitors as targets for arson attacks on Wednesday night. The group also includes calls to murder ethnic minorities, anti-fascists and government ministers”

If this is correct then those responsible must be locked away for good.

💯agree with that view

So do I .

Cadeby

Have the decency to leave them out of it.

I am talking about the murderer.