Dog walker attacked in park

Iam64 I agree that, in the circumstances you describe, both parents working need not be a major issue in terms of socialising children properly.

However, your example is of a close knit community with friends and extended family around to offer support - and to keep an eye on what children are getting up to. These days, many people are living and working a long way away from their close families and relatives - and people move more often to further their careers. In such a situation, exhausted parents do not have the benefit of grandma and grandpa - or lifelong friends - to help out.

I do agree that there is a minority of parents who, perhaps because they have been somewhat neglected themselves as children, seem to have great difficulty with parenting responsibly. In my opinion - and I think the facts bear it out - Sure Start centres went some way towards supporting parents who were experiencing difficulties. As you say, constantly cutting children's services and youth clubs has proved to create more costly outcomes in the long term.

Too busy eating apples and enjoying Paradise, I expect, to worry about what their boys were up to.

Perhaps Adam and Eve were like some of the parents of today. They were not interested in what their children were doing or where they were hence the problems their children had.

M0nica

BigBopper

Have you seen some of the parents raising children these days, they could not raise a goldfish, that is where the problem is, parenting. This country is too far down the cesspit now and it will take a miracle to dig it out.

Bigbopper Your sentiments in different language have been said down the ages by the older generation. I expect Adam and Eve said them when they looked at the parenting their children gave their grandchildren.

However the human race has inproved and avanced from the days when they grubbed for roots with sticks and chased furry mamoths. Not worse, just different.

Let's face it, Adam and Eve didn't do such a great job of parenting either!

BigBopper

Have you seen some of the parents raising children these days, they could not raise a goldfish, that is where the problem is, parenting. This country is too far down the cesspit now and it will take a miracle to dig it out.

Bigbopper Your sentiments in different language have been said down the ages by the older generation. I expect Adam and Eve said them when they looked at the parenting their children gave their grandchildren.

However the human race has inproved and avanced from the days when they grubbed for roots with sticks and chased furry mamoths. Not worse, just different.

Parents are treading a thin line, today, I think.
It's really not realistic to expect to be able bring up a totally new generation, with rights and opinions that are encouraged, in the same way that we were bought up, or our children were.

It's a whole different ball game these days, where we seem to have these half children, with the right to argue their point, to walk away, to flatly refuse things, to withhold permission for their own undertakings.

The way I bought my daughter up just does not work on my grandson.

Have you seen some of the parents raising children these days, they could not raise a goldfish, that is where the problem is, parenting. This country is too far down the cesspit now and it will take a miracle to dig it out.

MissA I don’t agree with smacking or any kind of corporal punishment. I expect you’re referring to a quick slap on a leg to stop behaviour the parent doesn’t like. I can see the argument that it’s quick and a shock and can be less emotionally abusive than ‘right, that;s it, no tv, no iPad, no sweeties, no playing out - go to your bedroom and stay there for a month’ approach to parenting.
Children do need consistent boundaries, calmly maintained by parents and school. They need to know the rules - one of my grandsons sees loss of his iPad for the rest of the day as the ultimate threat.

What does taking their belongings away from them teach them?
I'm not being deliberately disagreeable (and if you say I am, I'll smack you one )

A smack just teaches a child that it’s ok to smack people. Imo.

Children need structure and rules and they need to know what will happen if they transgress them. Applying the rules must be consistent.

My children knew the rules and what would happen if they broke them - because if they did, it did.

I think we can do without smacking, but I do think that children need to be prepared for being adults. At the moment until you're 16 seems to be very little compulsion & telling children that though they don't want to do something, they must do it seems to be regarded as poor parenting. I've never been a disciplinarian or micro-manager but in life we do have responsibilities to ourselves & other people, & shirking them because "I don't like it" "it makes me scared", in the long run is bad for the adult the child will become. How this relates to this tragic death I don't know, but children would feel more secure maybe if there were some things they had to do, & some things they must never do, & this was consistently upheld by parents & school. It's not only disadvantaged children who are becoming involved in crime.

I see nothing wrong with a smack, any more than other punishments, but it's not likely to work on a machete yielding bloke.

It's a whole other debate, I reckon.

Exactly BlueBelle - how can violence ever prevent violence

Smacking just teaches hitting out is the answer

I was never smacked, my kids were never smacked, my grandkids have never been smacked all have grown up to be useful members of society
How can hitting someone be an appropriate way to act !!!

Seriously - smacking a leg won’t sort knife crime

Skydancer

The internet is the cause of it. Sorry but it needs to be policed. Young minds are not able to understand the disgusting content they are able to see online.

Since corporal punishment was stopped it has got worse.cant blame it all on the internet
Some children need more discipline...Schools aren't allowed to give punishment now.parents not allowed to smack.
My children were rarely smacked but if so on the legs .,only as a last resort.
Smacking and beating are two different things and I know I'm not the only one that feels like this
Also now it's a case often of kids having kids.no idea how to parent a child.and sometimes not a good example themselves
I know someone who gave their child a smack on the legs and the child said they would ring childline.
That is like blackmail .

Come to my grubby part of East London. We have a large park next door and the air ambulance lands there at least once a month. Last time a lad lost an arm in a machete attack. Love to win the lottery and move somewhere nicer!!!

BlueBelle

Immigration should have NO mention on this page
we have NO idea who this child is

I agree with you @Bluebelle.

That's so sad @Allira

I remember seeing it on the news @Esmay terribly sad.

I was really upset by this news .
Poor man .
It's not that long ago that a Goth girl was kicked to death in a park for looking different .

We don't know the motive for the attack or if it was just senseless.

Allira

00opsidia

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)

The victim was of Indian origin, I think, whether or not he was born here I don't know. Perhaps that was was meant.

He had run a successful business and spent his retirement enjoying his allotment and loved by his family.

A tragic end to the life of a good citizen. It makes me weep with anger that his life should have been ended so casually and horrifically.

I know that, I thought OP was talking about the criminal? It's horrific and terrible.

I agree that imigration is not relevant re the murdererer, they should have the same punishment whatever their immigration status. Probably one of our home grown crims imho

Immigration should have NO mention on this page
we have NO idea who this child is

00opsidia

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)

The victim was of Indian origin, I think, whether or not he was born here I don't know. Perhaps that was was meant.

He had run a successful business and spent his retirement enjoying his allotment and loved by his family.

A tragic end to the life of a good citizen. It makes me weep with anger that his life should have been ended so casually and horrifically.

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)