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My heart went out to Camilla

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RosiesMaw2 Sat 07-Sept-24 11:23:06

We’ve all suffered, haven’t we, the impromptu photo catching us at our worst ? I happily delete them meaning that there are fewer pics of me than of anybody else in the family!
However, heads should roll over this - the Queen’s rather orange makeup doesn’t seem to reach the sides of her face, or down her neck, her eyebrows are seriously overdone and the wrinkles which generally accompany our late 70’s alas all to clear in this close up.
The late Queen had wonderful skin throughout her life, but didn’t smoke and drank very little alcohol. Perhaps she also had a better make up

Ilovedogs22 Sun 08-Sept-24 17:31:48

😊👍❤

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 16:53:16

Anne married for love Mark Phillips.

Andrew married for love Sarah Ferguson, she had been living
with a chap.

Sophie and Edward

The late Queen, no idea

Margaret and Tony for love

William and Catherine

Harry and Megan

Beatrice, Eugenie , Zara, Peter, one wrong so far.

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 16:46:15

Yes, I have Annie

I'm not that interested though, really, in any of them.

It's all been done to death, Camilla and Charles are happy together, and her face and hair look fine to me.

Dickens Sun 08-Sept-24 16:42:52

Cossy

Anniebach

It isn’t talking ill of her, she like everyone was a mix of good and not good.

Diana should never ever have been selected to marry Charles. She was already emotionally unstable due to her own parents marriage breakdown and just wasn’t at all suitable.

Yes, later she did court the press, yes she loved the attention.

What else did she have??

She clearly loved her children and had an extremely unhappy marriage.

Charles and Diana are prime examples of why Royals should marry for love and not for “breeding”.

Maybe they should have learnt by now!

Diana should never ever have been selected to marry Charles. She was already emotionally unstable due to her own parents marriage breakdown and just wasn’t at all suitable.

I couldn't agree more. She was too young, too naive, too emotionally troubled.

Charles and Diana are prime examples of why Royals should marry for love and not for “breeding”.

In my opinion, this addresses the very reason why a Monarchy is a fundamentally flawed institution. I'm not about to give a dissertation on the subject (and FWIW, I'm currently in favour of it as opposed to republicanism).

Put in simple terms, a Monarch and his family are expected to live up to ideals and principles (apart from the role as Head of State) of integrity, loyalty, honesty - and all those noble traits expected of one that the citizenry esteems and defers to.

If they marry for love alone - that could cause endless problems if the chosen-one is not amenable to subduing their own character, or their needs and wants. Or if they are not from the 'right' background, without the right 'status'. And, what if, for some reason, they are unable to conceive? Hence the need to choose an appropriate 'breeder', for want of a better phrase.

Incidentally, King Harald of Norway chose the 'wrong' woman - one his father did not approve - she was a commoner, the daughter of a clothing merchant. Harald dug in his heels and told his father that if he could not marry Sonja, he would remain unmarried - and he was the only son. He dated her for 9 years (initially in secret) until their eventual marriage in 1968.

The thing is, Kings and Queens - Royalty - are simply human beings underneath all the pageantry - with all the frailties and faults of the human condition.

So, when it comes down to choosing a spouse - the dysfunctionality of the whole institution is apparent. They have to fall in love with the 'right' person, or choose the right person and hope they can feel the love!

What did Charles say when he was being interviewed with Diana and asked if they were 'in love'? I think he sort of smiled wryly, and said

whatever 'in love' means

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 16:35:55

Right, so you have brought it back to Diana

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 16:31:12

I don't know anything about that, nor anything else much, royalty related.

It's just that Diana and I were the same age (ish)

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 16:19:44

No, I spoke of Camilla’s first wedding

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 16:16:47

Ah, we're back in Diana territory now.

LucyAnna2 Sun 08-Sept-24 16:14:28

Well, if one believes in such…..

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 16:10:19

A fortune teller or a speaker to spirits would, surely?

LucyAnna2 Sun 08-Sept-24 16:05:43

People who look ‘radiant’ at weddings can sometimes be divorced a few years later. No-one really knows.

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 15:36:02

I do not believe Charles wanted to marry when age 23. I have no belief in the press, I truly believe a cousin of Camilla and friend of mine, who told me in 1973 , whilst showing me photographs of a cousins wedding attended by Queen Mother, Princess Margaret and Princess Anne, ‘she adores him’ , this was a reply to my ‘she is radiant’ , wedding of Camilla and Andrew PB

Kate1949 Sun 08-Sept-24 15:26:41

How does anyone know these people were telling the truth?

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 15:15:30

Apparently the royals all knew of the affair, Annie, in that old fashioned traditional way that it was just accepted.

They knew, and approved.
Again, just heresay, really.

Allira Sun 08-Sept-24 15:12:55

All three, in fact, as Charles wanted to marry Camilla from the beginning.

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 15:12:14

Diana grew up within the royals inner circle. So strange , her sister Jane lived in Balmoral estate during the summer yet didn’t know of the great affair, sister Sarah dated Charles yet didn’t know of the great affair, Lady Fermoy grandmother didn’t know of the Great affair

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 15:08:30

There weren't any winners to come out of it, except that Charles and Camilla are now together, but then I think they would have always been, one way or another.

Allira Sun 08-Sept-24 15:03:24

Both victims of a rather archaic system.

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 14:52:05

That's exactly it, Allira.

The royals weren't known for wearing their hearts on their sleeves, so to find Diana in their inner circle was trying, to say the least.

Plus, there was the age difference...

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 14:48:02

None of us know even one side of the story, though.
It I'd all what we've gleaned ourselves, coloured by our own bias, as it was then, as well as now, all these years later.

Allira Sun 08-Sept-24 14:47:03

MissAdventure

I agree, Kate.
Again, by the Morton book, Charles was quite smitten with Diana for a while, but that wore off when he found her behaviour so difficult to understand.

That may well be a total fabrication, though.

It's obvious from early photos of them together but he must have found her immature and very needy behaviour bewildering.

Allira Sun 08-Sept-24 14:45:46

Anniebach

Much in Morton’s book was probably total fabrication,
Diana was involved with the writing,

Six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Allira Sun 08-Sept-24 14:44:56

Kate1949

Then she should know better. Her husband's affairs weren't Diana's fault. I don't believe that anyone in the Royal Family cared about Diana.

Prince Philip, for one, cared about Diana and wrote her kind and supportive letters when she and Charles were getting divorced.

There are always two sides to a story.

Anniebach Sun 08-Sept-24 14:43:57

Much in Morton’s book was probably total fabrication,
Diana was involved with the writing,

MissAdventure Sun 08-Sept-24 14:41:51

I think all of those people were victims in the fallout of a disastrous marriage, just as surely as Diana (and probably Charles)