PM accepted £20,000 so his boy could study

Kier is a very wealthy man. He could pay very easily for a rental property penthouse for the use of studying for exams. He could easily pay for a box at football , people seem to think he is no where near as wealthy as he is.he is a disgrace , example the box at football, would cost tax payer more if he went in the stands. The missing point is, why isn’t he paying for a box he could well afford, favours and freebies are not without expectations of something in return. I do however hope he lives up to what he has promised, however I am doubtful he will stay as leader if this continues.

Heliotrope

Can someone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and accept all the benefits associated with this friendship.
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, though some are more equal than others. Human nature being what it is it will ever be thus.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why you feel the need to post exactly the same thing three times in the space of an hour on this thread?

It's rather bot like behaviour...

I too agree Doodledog

I was born and brought up in the 40’s in a South Wales coal mining village, Keir Hardy was the first Labour MP, people proud of their work in the pits but oh wanted their sons and daughters to pass the entrance exam to the grammar school ,
education was the only way out of the pits

Doodledog

Labour is not against wealth. It is against some people hoarding wealth at the expense of others. Blair's government accepted that many of the working class are aspirational, and this has continued under Starmer.

My beliefs, as a LP supporter are that everyone should have the opportunity to thrive, and achieve what they can for their families and themselves. I own my home, want the best for my children and have savings from my own work. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all - I would like to live in a society where those things are available for everyone.

Well they aren't are they, and let's face it they never ever will be. Even in Communism, some snouts are always at the top of the stye.
Labour are no different in this to what the Conservatives wanted, but of course because it come from Labour it's the right thing to say.
Favouring foreign regimes over some of the countries longest tax payng poor is despicable . Don't not say PC, over a quarter of a million have been denied it.
This will not be forgotten.

This thread is very Daily Mail!

Surely he had his own bedroom at the family home to study in which is more than many overcrowded family homes have. As usual Starmer preaches one message then makes sure he has the advantage over the rest of us. I think the current government are all hypocrites and am tired of them already

👍🏻. Well said Doodledog.
What a fuss about nothing. It’s reminding me of the story the mail dug up about Starmer being a land owner. The land was a field he bought so his mum could enjoy watching the donkeys who lived there.
Father does his best to support child through GCSEs how very dare he.

ruthiek please read the entirety of this thread (and others on the same topic) in order to inform yourself about the facts of the matter.

Labour is not against wealth. It is against some people hoarding wealth at the expense of others. Blair's government accepted that many of the working class are aspirational, and this has continued under Starmer.

My beliefs, as a LP supporter are that everyone should have the opportunity to thrive, and achieve what they can for their families and themselves. I own my home, want the best for my children and have savings from my own work. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all - I would like to live in a society where those things are available for everyone.

Quote biglouis Thu 26-Sep-24 14:03:27
When I was studying for my GCEs I went to the local library because there was no where at home where I could do so in peace. We lived in a two-up-two-down terrace and I shared a room with my sister. Fortunately libraries were open 5 days a week until 9 pm in those dim and distant days.

Clearly there is one rule for the toffs and one for the people. Two Tier has certainly earned his nickname.

How did you cope with the press and demonstrators at your door ?

Can someone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and accept all the benefits associated with this friendship.
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, though some are more equal than others. Human nature being what it is it will ever be thus.

Heliotrope

Can anyone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and all the benefits accepted due to this association, or does this not apply to them?
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, only some are more equal than others. It has ever and always will be thus.
Human nature being what it is

I believe everything changed with New Labour - hence the title.

To an extent, the party had to change anyway because as people were becoming more socially mobile, the whole ethos changed from the distinct lines between the working class and the owners of capital and wealth.

And, if you study this in a little detail, it's fairly obvious that many of the working class were in fact quite Conservative in their values and thinking, anyway.

There was a reason why Corbyn's Labour party didn't win.

Neither Starmer, nor Blair before him, were against wealth - they just wanted the wealthy to pay their taxes. But neither were, or are, going to disturb the status quo. If that'd been in their manifesto, they'd never have won an election

Because people can be friends with who they like.
Friends often allow each other to use their homes, have dinner, borrow money, use their toilet, have a bath.

It isn't necessary for Starmer to live in a council flat and holiday in Skegness to run the country.

When I was studying for my GCEs I went to the local library because there was no where at home where I could do so in peace. We lived in a two-up-two-down terrace and I shared a room with my sister. Fortunately libraries were open 5 days a week until 9 pm in those dim and distant days.

Clearly there is one rule for the toffs and one for the people. Two Tier has certainly earned his nickname.

Can anyone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and all the benefits accepted due to this association, or does this not apply to them?
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, only some are more equal than others. It has ever and always will be thus.
Human nature being what it is

I wonder if any posters would be as 'forgiving' if it had been a conservative PM or MP who had received these 'gifts'.

Keir Starmer would surely know the score if elected as PM, he should have sorted out his child's education himself.

Many people believe that such gifts might not have been given if they were not intended to influence the recipient.

Fully agree with Maddyfours comment.

Ruthin, that pass was for a very limited time, and ran out a good few weeks ago.

Do you mean the property was worth that amount, ronib?

Allira. Ali got what he wanted a free pass to come and go at no 10 when he wants . Dont forget he is also a labour lord

His son has been offered a quiet room on his friend's house to study. As this may be considered a 'gift' he has measured it at £20,000. I was annoyed about accepting of gifts at first, but frankly I haven't seen anything which is unusual. If Kate's son was offered a space to study quietly at the Duke of Westminster's home, would Prince William declare it? I haven't seen any lucrative contracts go his way yet!!! Leave them in peace!!!

The story is true Starmer admitted it, he said his son couldn’t concentrate because of the journalists so when the propert was offered he took it for his son and it was £20000. I watched the interview

LizzieDrip

^Most of us don’t have the option to move somewhere quieter whilst our kids study^

I repeat my earlier post … most of us don’t have hoards of journalists and protesters clambering outside our homes while our child is studying for his GCSEs.

If you were facing that situation Cambia wouldn’t you do anything to support your child? I know I would!

Can anyone explain to me how an invitation to stay at a friend's house to study for exams peacefully has a cash value put on it and called a "donation"?

How was that figure reached?

Some families have an alternative peaceful space, some don't. If - thank goodness never one hopes - my grandchildren's house was surrounded by press at a crucial time then they could go to modest grans house or friends.

It would be good if some provision could be made for study when home conditions are poor, this has been discussed for some time generally

It's verging on the ludicous: Starmer has rightly imo been picked up on some of the gifts, but this is not a donation.

But look at the last PM. Where were the grumbles about his kids advantages?
Sunak, his wife Akshata Murthy, and their two daughters split their time between their many impressive homes in the UK and abroad. There's a townhouse in London and a grand residence in North Yorkshire, as well as a pad in Santa Monica, California and a separate flat in central London.

Plenty of places to go for quiet time and no pile ons in GN?

Age UK, I think, were urging people to apply, and they will help with the process.

All I can say is it can't be so desperately needed if people don't want to apply.

Well me, I'm just wishing Lord Alli was my best friend. Anyone got his number?