PM accepted £20,000 so his boy could study

I wonder if any posters would be as 'forgiving' if it had been a conservative PM or MP who had received these 'gifts'.

Keir Starmer would surely know the score if elected as PM, he should have sorted out his child's education himself.

Many people believe that such gifts might not have been given if they were not intended to influence the recipient.

Can anyone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and all the benefits accepted due to this association, or does this not apply to them?
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, only some are more equal than others. It has ever and always will be thus.
Human nature being what it is

When I was studying for my GCEs I went to the local library because there was no where at home where I could do so in peace. We lived in a two-up-two-down terrace and I shared a room with my sister. Fortunately libraries were open 5 days a week until 9 pm in those dim and distant days.

Clearly there is one rule for the toffs and one for the people. Two Tier has certainly earned his nickname.

Because people can be friends with who they like.
Friends often allow each other to use their homes, have dinner, borrow money, use their toilet, have a bath.

It isn't necessary for Starmer to live in a council flat and holiday in Skegness to run the country.

Heliotrope

Can anyone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and all the benefits accepted due to this association, or does this not apply to them?
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, only some are more equal than others. It has ever and always will be thus.
Human nature being what it is

I believe everything changed with New Labour - hence the title.

To an extent, the party had to change anyway because as people were becoming more socially mobile, the whole ethos changed from the distinct lines between the working class and the owners of capital and wealth.

And, if you study this in a little detail, it's fairly obvious that many of the working class were in fact quite Conservative in their values and thinking, anyway.

There was a reason why Corbyn's Labour party didn't win.

Neither Starmer, nor Blair before him, were against wealth - they just wanted the wealthy to pay their taxes. But neither were, or are, going to disturb the status quo. If that'd been in their manifesto, they'd never have won an election

Can someone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and accept all the benefits associated with this friendship.
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, though some are more equal than others. Human nature being what it is it will ever be thus.

Quote biglouis Thu 26-Sep-24 14:03:27
When I was studying for my GCEs I went to the local library because there was no where at home where I could do so in peace. We lived in a two-up-two-down terrace and I shared a room with my sister. Fortunately libraries were open 5 days a week until 9 pm in those dim and distant days.

Clearly there is one rule for the toffs and one for the people. Two Tier has certainly earned his nickname.

How did you cope with the press and demonstrators at your door ?

Labour is not against wealth. It is against some people hoarding wealth at the expense of others. Blair's government accepted that many of the working class are aspirational, and this has continued under Starmer.

My beliefs, as a LP supporter are that everyone should have the opportunity to thrive, and achieve what they can for their families and themselves. I own my home, want the best for my children and have savings from my own work. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all - I would like to live in a society where those things are available for everyone.

ruthiek please read the entirety of this thread (and others on the same topic) in order to inform yourself about the facts of the matter.

👍🏻. Well said Doodledog.
What a fuss about nothing. It’s reminding me of the story the mail dug up about Starmer being a land owner. The land was a field he bought so his mum could enjoy watching the donkeys who lived there.
Father does his best to support child through GCSEs how very dare he.

Surely he had his own bedroom at the family home to study in which is more than many overcrowded family homes have. As usual Starmer preaches one message then makes sure he has the advantage over the rest of us. I think the current government are all hypocrites and am tired of them already

This thread is very Daily Mail!

Doodledog

Labour is not against wealth. It is against some people hoarding wealth at the expense of others. Blair's government accepted that many of the working class are aspirational, and this has continued under Starmer.

My beliefs, as a LP supporter are that everyone should have the opportunity to thrive, and achieve what they can for their families and themselves. I own my home, want the best for my children and have savings from my own work. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all - I would like to live in a society where those things are available for everyone.

Well they aren't are they, and let's face it they never ever will be. Even in Communism, some snouts are always at the top of the stye.
Labour are no different in this to what the Conservatives wanted, but of course because it come from Labour it's the right thing to say.
Favouring foreign regimes over some of the countries longest tax payng poor is despicable . Don't not say PC, over a quarter of a million have been denied it.
This will not be forgotten.

I too agree Doodledog

I was born and brought up in the 40’s in a South Wales coal mining village, Keir Hardy was the first Labour MP, people proud of their work in the pits but oh wanted their sons and daughters to pass the entrance exam to the grammar school ,
education was the only way out of the pits

Heliotrope

Can someone explain to me why Labour, historically being against wealth and all its trappings are best mates with Lord Alli and accept all the benefits associated with this friendship.
George Orwell said, All animals are born equal, though some are more equal than others. Human nature being what it is it will ever be thus.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why you feel the need to post exactly the same thing three times in the space of an hour on this thread?

It's rather bot like behaviour...

Kier is a very wealthy man. He could pay very easily for a rental property penthouse for the use of studying for exams. He could easily pay for a box at football , people seem to think he is no where near as wealthy as he is.he is a disgrace , example the box at football, would cost tax payer more if he went in the stands. The missing point is, why isn’t he paying for a box he could well afford, favours and freebies are not without expectations of something in return. I do however hope he lives up to what he has promised, however I am doubtful he will stay as leader if this continues.

There seems to be a media blitz against Keir Starmer and his cabinet. I don’t remember so much outrage when the Tories were given freebies. Perhaps there should be legislation and all MPs dressed by M and S.

I am sure Keir Starmer had still got the house he was living in before he was Prime minister. My children used to book a study room at the local library to study for their exams.

That should be 'has'.

Willow68

Kier is a very wealthy man. He could pay very easily for a rental property penthouse for the use of studying for exams. He could easily pay for a box at football , people seem to think he is no where near as wealthy as he is.he is a disgrace , example the box at football, would cost tax payer more if he went in the stands. The missing point is, why isn’t he paying for a box he could well afford, favours and freebies are not without expectations of something in return. I do however hope he lives up to what he has promised, however I am doubtful he will stay as leader if this continues.

Robert Jenrick, would be Conservative leader, has just since the election accepted £100.000 in gifts (doesnt give info what for, just cash)

Jenrick owns three homes, including two in London, one of which is a £2.5m townhouse less than a mile from the Houses of Parliament. He also owns Eye Manor, a Grade I listed building in Herefordshire which he purchased for £1.1 million in 2009.(wiki)

In 2021 Tory party receives £150k donation two days after Robert Jenrick decides in favour of a planning application for 625 new homes near Ledbury.
centralbylines.co.uk/region/west-midlands/robert-jenrick-more-than-a-little-help-for-his-friends/

If we are to have a new moral code, suggest a good MP must live in sackcloth and ashes, can we start right now to apply it across the board?

Starmer is not in the same league as Sunak and Johnson and many other Tories when it comes to wealth. Do people really expect the pm to live in a council house ( he’d get slated for that though) and be on the breadline. Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan, but this Smear Keir campaign contains so many distortions and overblown misinterpretations that it becomes laughable. No one seems to remember the shambles that was Johnson and Cummings or basically any of the last 4 Tory PMs.

This steady, and in some cases petty, drip drip drip of none stop slating of the LP is frankly getting boring.

It’s becoming obsessive for some of you.

YES, we complained about the last govt, YES, we were glad to see the back of them.

However, they had 14 years to make things right, and they didn’t succeed even with 5 different PMs and god knows how many chancellors.

Just take a break, just for a few days please.

It’s ridiculous frankly!

Seagull72

There seems to be a media blitz against Keir Starmer and his cabinet. I don’t remember so much outrage when the Tories were given freebies. Perhaps there should be legislation and all MPs dressed by M and S.

👏👏👏

libra

I wonder if any posters would be as 'forgiving' if it had been a conservative PM or MP who had received these 'gifts'.

I would say that if the circumstances were the same, (declared appropriately etc) any adults in the room would see it was OK.
Why is this an issue?

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Freya5
Doodledog
“Labour is not against wealth. It is against some people hoarding wealth at the expense of others. Blair's government accepted that many of the working class are aspirational, and this has continued under Starmer.

My beliefs, as a LP supporter are that everyone should have the opportunity to thrive, and achieve what they can for their families and themselves. I own my home, want the best for my children and have savings from my own work. I don't see that as hypocrisy at all - I would like to live in a society where those things are available for everyone.
Well they aren't are they, and let's face it they never ever will be. Even in Communism, some snouts are always at the top of the stye.
Labour are no different in this to what the Conservatives wanted, but of course because it come from Labour it's the right thing to say.
Favouring foreign regimes over some of the countries longest tax payng poor is despicable . Don't not say PC, over a quarter of a million have been denied it.
This will not be forgotten.“

Freya5

The playing field could be made so much more level (levelling up haha, remember that great initiative), if public services were vastly improved and a good education was available for all and if all the family services attempting to help those in poverty, with chaotic lives, to sort themselves out and get back into the labour market.

I know this, I was one of the DWP attached to a LA, working alongside both family and social workers, until all these services stopped being funded!