The EU

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Oops, I don't mean that I bump into Macron to check on his ageing process when I'm in France, just that I watch a lot of French TV then, especially debates!!

Escaped,
I agree with you about Macron, hasnt he lost control of his version of our parliament fairly recently? Its maybe harder for him as president now.

escaped

I don't think Macron is looking too bad for 46, physically at least, though I admit my son would have to age very quickly to look that grey in 6 years' time! I do agree that Macron is showing signs of exhaustion, almost like burn-out. He seems to have lost his drive.
I travel back and forth to France, and in the past year or two I noticed his eyes look tired. His speeches now seem more full of questions than answers, whereas in the past he was always coming up with new ideas, and sounded energised.
The EU in its current form has probably run out of steam and needs to re invent itself. There are some big shoes to fill to make it as successful as before in so many areas.

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I think he looks tired and older than the average 46 year old, at least the ones I know and even those a bit older. They also have stressful jobs but perhaps not so stressful and not on the world stage.

Macron may be right that the EU needs to invest more and regulate less. By leaving the EU we have cut ourselves off from the kind of progressive, prosperous trade organisation that Macron wants to see. I hope Starmer has the backbone to negotiate a much better deal than the Buffoon' achieved.

Grantanow

Macron may be right that the EU needs to invest more and regulate less. By leaving the EU we have cut ourselves off from the kind of progressive, prosperous trade organisation that Macron wants to see. I hope Starmer has the backbone to negotiate a much better deal than the Buffoon' achieved.

By and large, a reform back to trading, markets, and security focus is a good aim. With the big economic and security blocks of the USA and China, Russia on the doorstep, it's much needed. I don't see us trying to re-enter, but I think staying outside of the markets and security aspects is not good for us long term. By security I mean working closer with for example people smuggling and other policing issues not the military work of NATO.

Wyllow3, I agree with you.

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He is having to give us pensions! We are also, on the whole, unlikely to vote for him too. I do hope he does not take us back into the EU, but maybe closer co operation without rejoining would keep us safer in an increasingly dangerous world.

Grantanow

Macron may be right that the EU needs to invest more and regulate less. By leaving the EU we have cut ourselves off from the kind of progressive, prosperous trade organisation that Macron wants to see. I hope Starmer has the backbone to negotiate a much better deal than the Buffoon' achieved.

Me too!

I did smile at the word “buffoon” it just seems to sum up BJ

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Unless you are a native speaker, I don’t think you will ever understand the exact nuance of any political speech. To me it seemed that Macron was sounding a note of warning, that member states should realise that problems exist and need to be addressed. In a way, that meshes with what many of us thought 10 years ago.

It is a golden rule of organisations that you cannot change them from the outside. We gave up our chance to change the EU when we left. I thought it was foolish then and I still think so now.

Starmer and the Labour Party have made it absolutely clear that we do not wish to rejoin but we need better trading and security sharing.
It's important to be accurate on this, but if posters think it is not, produce actual evidence.

janete1956

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Perhaps his new £4,200 glasses are rose tinted! I know I'm now in the wrong age group but none of my friends and family can understand Starmer and Reeves' attacks on us while fighting with each other to get their snouts in the trough. It's like the 1905 Bloody Sunday when the Bolsheviks killed the Russian royal family and looted the palace to drink champagne instead of vodka. And look where Russia is now!

Starmer wasn't even at the Berlin Global Dialogue, was he? I would imagine he was pretty far from Macron's mind in this instance.

Orly - it was after the 1917 revolution that the Tsarist family were killed. The 1905 revolution was merely a dress rehearsal according to Lenin.

I feel very sad about it. I voted Remain and would vote rejoin if there were to be another referendum. 'No man is an island' etc.

Willow3
You’re obviously unaware that we have never stopped working with security services in Europe, it’s just not broardcast.
We had a massive import into the breakup of these gangs.
Many of the people working on it didn’t go home for months, it was so secret.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/encrochat-phone-network-encryption-organised-crime-uk-arrests-police-a9597501.html

Perhaps his new £4,200 glasses are rose tinted!
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Thry must have diamonds round the frame!

I had a shock when my spectacles were going to be £375 so I chose a cheaper frame, even so they were £250.
I've always disliked them too, false economy.

Etoile2701

I feel very sad about it. I voted Remain and would vote rejoin if there were to be another referendum. 'No man is an island' etc.

We will never get the favourable terms that we had before and would have to join the euro. Also our economy needs to be in a better shape. Which it would be, sadly, if we hadn’t left the EU*
*theelephantinthe room
At least we know that Keir is pro EU because he was on our people’s vote marches. Alas I fear that bird has flown for the foreseeable future at least. Still waiting for all those Brexit benefits and amazing trade deals

Grantanow

Orly - it was after the 1917 revolution that the Tsarist family were killed. The 1905 revolution was merely a dress rehearsal according to Lenin.

(And the Tsarist family weren't in the Alexander Palace either, in this rather bizarre trip to the past).

lefthanded I agree in general about "change from within" but circumstances have now changed so much.

His glasses didn’t cost £4,000+ they were over a 6 year period when in opposition all declared openly- it covered several pairs of specs. I’ve just had to pay £900 for varifocals and they weren’t the most expensive .

Why don't posters fact check before they make outrageous allegations?