London seems to be a right cesspit.

Allira

J52

Allira
“To be fair, those who live in or visit the better areas of London are going to see it differently from those who live in crime-ridden, rat-infested areas.”

Would you care to name the ‘crime-ridden, rat infested areas?

Easily looked up.

No, that won’t do, if you must make negative assertions like that, put your money where your mouth is and say what you mean.

J52

Allira
“To be fair, those who live in or visit the better areas of London are going to see it differently from those who live in crime-ridden, rat-infested areas.”

Would you care to name the ‘crime-ridden, rat infested areas?

Easily looked up.

I was shocked to hear about the shooting but no details are available yet so it’s hard to comment. I think London is as varied as it ever was. I visit it often but over the years I do think it’s felt more run down in places and the people there, more frantic, unsettled and restless. It has its nice bits and others where you need to watch your back a bit. But I guess most huge cities are like that. I find the rail services in and out of it, on the whole, appalling and shockingly crowded. I wouldn’t stop going there though. It’s all ok if you just pick your areas well and use common sense.

I’m not keen on big cities so only visit only occasionally, to me they are much the same, they seem to be a magnet for all types of undesirable activity.

You definitely wouldnt want to get lost after dark in any of them.

Correction - draining the taxpayer.

London has historically been a diverse city, with immigrant populations living there for generations, indeed tourists see Brick Lane and China Town as well as the plethora of different eateries from all four corners of the world as part of their experience of London, it now is as much a part of London’s rich tapestry as the West End shows. So far from drawing the tax payer as another poster said, immigrants bring money to the capital.
Fact is most Londoners are accepting of other groups of people and embrace differing cultures with various ethnically influenced exhibitions held around the capitol.
Is a ridiculous thing to say with regard to people worshipping diversity.
Who worships anything these days?
What a bizarre statement.

I haven't been to London since my maternal uncle died nearly 30 years ago. Even then you had to be careful with purse, not wear expensive jewellery, especially on the bus and generally keep a bit of a low profile. I loved visiting in those far off days, but now have to admit, that I simply don't want to go there anyway more. However, I would never describe anywhere as a cesspit, and would be offended if where I live now, (Oxford) were described as such.

London is our Capital City,so gets the most tourists.So is obviously going to come under more scrutiny than other cities! I live in Birmingham,we are not inundated with tourists like London!

It’s a poor show to not be able to walk down a main street (Victoria Street)in the middle of the day without seeing so many homeless people and being harrassed constantly.I lived in London many years ago,the place is unrecognisable now,the deterioration is astonishing.Probably if you live there you don’t notice.

London should be an amazing place like it once was,not the dirty drug riddled crime hotspot it is now!

I'm London born and bred .
I've lived in the posh bits and in parts that are far from posh .
I love London , but admit to down dressing and not carrying a posh handbag if I go .
I also love Liverpool , Manchester and Yorkshire and always feel really welcome .

Allira

Sorry, meant to add this:

www.statista.com/statistics/288221/number-of-homicides-uk-by-region/

It doesn't look like those figures make any allowance for different populations. Surely you'd expect a higher number in more populated areas than sparsely populated ones? Given the population of London is greater than the whole of Scotland for example, (over 9.5 million vs 5.5 million) you'd hardly expect the same number of crimes.

The thing with London, especially East London where I'm from, is that you can have £million houses alongside squalid towers blocks. So if you live there, it all kind of blends into your home area. I lived in a "better" area on the Central Line, but 3 stops along I definitely held on to my bag tighter and tried not look people in the eye too much as we passed through the dodgy places.

My cats constantly brought home rats off the tube line. I'm guessing they're everywhere in the capital.

FGT I understand its easily done.

Allira
“To be fair, those who live in or visit the better areas of London are going to see it differently from those who live in crime-ridden, rat-infested areas.”

Would you care to name the ‘crime-ridden, rat infested areas?

To be fair, those who live in or visit the better areas of London are going to see it differently from those who live in crime-ridden, rat-infested areas.

FGT is not alone in using this description of the capital as it as been used over the past few years by others, including those who live in some of thee worst areas.

Thank you for having the grace to apologise, FGT.
I found your post deeply offensive.

Skydancer

More police are needed. They should be a visible presence in every city and town. Sentences should be harsher. It’s not rocket science.

Well, apparently it is more difficult than rocket science as it never seems to happen, whereas we can send rockets to space.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I have just apologised vegansrock. It was rash of me.
A knee jerk reaction I think.

Of course and very understandable.
There are so many incidents of this kind reported on a daily basis, it seems, but when it involves a child it seems even more upsetting.

I hope this child recovers well, and her father too.

Skydancer

More police are needed. They should be a visible presence in every city and town. Sentences should be harsher. It’s not rocket science.

👏👏👏👏👏 Yes!!

More police are needed. They should be a visible presence in every city and town. Sentences should be harsher. It’s not rocket science.

Aveline

FGT2 - completely understandable

Yes, it is very upsetting and very understandable.

I began to think that Bristol was the worst place for homicides but London is ahead of all areas according to the statistics.

But only if the taxpayers can/want to afford such diversity. In some instances it comes at a huge cost.

I live in a small rural market town. A couple of friends have spoken about visiting London before Christmas, one going to a show, the other to afternoon tea at a posh hotel.

I sincerely hope they both have a good time, but no desire myself to do anything like that.

Country mouse, me.

Wyllow3

Jeanathome

And many others see no worshipping and wish for tolerance and kindness.

What I feel too.

I love diversity.. it brings colour and interest to life.. the secret is to explore it rather than to be against it..

I think most big cities and towns have their problems, sadly, and it’s not unique to London. I think you have to be aware of potential issues wherever you go, and do all you can to try to keep yourself safe from attack, theft, scams, etc.

Jeanathome

And many others see no worshipping and wish for tolerance and kindness.

What I feel too.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I have just apologised vegansrock. It was rash of me.
A knee jerk reaction I think.

I understand.

Horrendous events cause reactions. Well done apology.