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Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 02-Jan-25 13:35:45

Scandalous I think.
I’m with Elon Musk on this re his comments to Jess Phillips.

Elon Musk attacked the decision as “disgraceful” and Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, said a full national inquiry into rape gangs was “long overdue”.

Jess Phillips, Labour’s safeguarding minister, insisted it was “for Oldham council alone”.

Really Jess?

WelwynWitch3 Sun 05-Jan-25 19:23:13

Whatever the wrongs or rights this problem should have been investigated years ago. Young white females being abused by Asian gangs has been going on for years and ignored because it may upset people regardless of damage and trauma to young girls. My husband worked for company that employed Asian workers who described girls as white meat, think that says it all.

Maremia Sun 05-Jan-25 08:23:32

My apologies Rosie 51, for any offence given to your relatives by my comment. This thread had already dropped from the Top Posts this morning, so I sought it out, for this purpose.

Rosie51 Sun 05-Jan-25 00:05:52

Maremia

Oh my what a patronising riposte!

So much better than an insulting, homophobic, belittling post, but you do you. My homosexual nephew and his husband both abhor such trite demeaning phrases.

alig99 Sat 04-Jan-25 23:48:25

Mr Musk has far to much interest in the affairs of the UK, He seems a thoroughly unpleasant person and targeting our elective representatives in such a manner is a great concern especially when people such as FGT start believing and supporting his views.
We need to remember that our politics seem to heavily by non UK friendly people....hail the imposter king Nigel.

petra Sat 04-Jan-25 20:19:57

And mine. And the wonderful Maggi Oliver 👏👏👏👏👏👏

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 20:09:24

I agree Nafir Afzal is a hero in my eyes.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 20:08:23

Iam64 I wasn’t implying anything.

I just posted what is readily available to anyone who Googles Islam and its views on females, marriage and consent.

Iam64 Sat 04-Jan-25 19:14:34

GrannyGravy - I’m concerned your earlier post implies that girl children aged 9 are routinely seen as old enough for marriage and penetrative sex within British Muslim communities. That isn’t my experience nor have I seen research supporting your claims

The disgusting organised abuse by men of largely Pakistani Muslim men was aimed at very vulnerable white girls, the abusers rightly thought they’d get away with it because our legal system would see them as unreliable witnesses. Thank God for Nazir Afzal (a man of Muslim heritage) and police officers, social workers, health workers etc who jumped up and down, made a fuss, demanded their managers Do Something

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 18:49:59

If you want to know how abused girls feel look up Sammy Woodhouse.

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:29:51

Oh my what a patronising riposte!

Rosie51 Sat 04-Jan-25 15:25:41

Maremia

Did you mean Peter Mandleson? I thought he batted for the other side?

Goodness me, what an outdated prejudiced phrase! Peter Mandleson is homosexual or gay if you prefer. "Batted for the other side" is an insulting phrase no longer used by intelligent people.

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:24:03

Rush to answer your questions? Hadn't noticed any of my questions being answered?

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:22:24

Did you mean Peter Mandleson? I thought he batted for the other side?

Rosie51 Sat 04-Jan-25 15:21:04

No answer or comment on my questions then Maremia ?

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:17:40

Well, Prince Andrew managed to pay his way out of it. Epstein 'committed suicide' before more beans could be spilled. Maxwell still has more stories to tell. Do you think Trump might pardon her before then?

MissAdventure Sat 04-Jan-25 15:11:20

I've no idea what the rules are.

I'm just amazed that anyone would want go within a good few feet away from someone involved in abuse of other humans.

Rosie51 Sat 04-Jan-25 15:06:32

Maremia

Lovely photo of Musk doing the rounds just now on Facebook. It shows this so called champion of sexually abused, underaged girls all dressed up for a glam occassion with the convicted sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell.

Since you've brought her into this thread do you ever wonder why only Maxwell is serving time as a sex offender and not one single male who used the girls? Who exactly did she traffic the girls to?

I'm no defender of Musk, he's a loud-mouthed opinionated idiot who's best ignored, but are you suggesting he availed himself of the underage girls Maxwell recruited?

Galaxy Sat 04-Jan-25 14:58:27

Oh hold on I am losing track of the rules, I thought that was fine when Mandelson had the epstein association. His appointment was brave and thoughtful not disgusting.

MissAdventure Sat 04-Jan-25 14:53:13

That just about sums up the whole disgusting situation, doesn't it?
And women support him, well...

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 14:30:08

Lovely photo of Musk doing the rounds just now on Facebook. It shows this so called champion of sexually abused, underaged girls all dressed up for a glam occassion with the convicted sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell.

Jeanathome Sat 04-Jan-25 14:26:50

What an absolutely hideous thread this is. The subject matter, the rabble rousing , using abuse for point scoring and the last straw that Musk creature.

I take heart from ordinary people going about their business, including Muslims friends at the community centre.

I, also am out. Wish I had never been near this.

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 14:26:06

Think you missed out on 'Shame on the Tory Government' for doing nothing about it during their 13/14 years of rule.

LizzieDrip Sat 04-Jan-25 14:13:43

Musk's comments about Jess Phillips could put her in real danger

That concerns me too Ilovecheese. I just hope his late night (possibly drug fuelled) rants don’t whip up a (possibly) drug fuelled crazy person in the UK to do something awful.

Words have consequences!

MissAdventure Sat 04-Jan-25 14:05:51

There is task force in operation, though.

Ohhowwelaughed Sat 04-Jan-25 13:42:40

Dickens

Maybe we should ask the victims whether they want another Inquiry?

Samantha Smith

The issue isn’t that Oldham was denied. Indeed, Telford and Rotherham had requests for a inquiry rejected by a Tory government.

Both had to commission their own inquiry, and are responsible for implementing the recommendations.

The problem is that grooming gangs aren’t isolated or rare, nor are they only active in a few small towns. Little girls have been — and still are — groomed, raped, exploited and murdered by Pakistani-Muslim men across the country.

CSE is a national epidemic.

So why are we continuing to treat it like it’s a localised issue?

Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Banbury, Oldham: these areas aren’t a few bad apples but rather the most notable examples of the disgusting abuse that has been replicated throughout the UK.

How long will it take for a government to start treating CSE like the nationwide scourge that it is and holding those in powerful positions responsible for their failings?

And Labour — who waxed lyrical about protecting victims and punishing the predators — failed to keep their promises the first moment they were tested.

Jess Phillips and others who claim to care about victims brushed the survivors of the Oldham scandal off with empty assurances about “understanding the depth of feeling” while refusing to extend government funding and support to bring their abusers to justice.

This isn’t just about Oldham.

This is about the decades-long pattern of ignorance that has downplayed the scale of Pakistani-Muslim grooming gangs in Britain and denied the need for national oversight and accountability.

How many enquiries do we need to have? How many reports do we need to read? How many little girls do we need to see failed by the authorities that were meant to protect them?

Shame on Jess Phillips
Shame on Labour.
Shame on them all.