Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

KateW19

Anyone who says “I’m with Elon Musk” with a straight face is either a bot being paid by the Reform Party, or deluded. Musk is a mad man who spends his time ranting while in a ketamine induced haze

Indeed. I believe his latest words of wisdom are that children born by cesarean section are smarter than those born vaginally because their skulls and brain don't get compressed.

Well, Starmer and Phillips have a chance to right wrongs, so why are they refusing?
Concentrate on the here and now.

HousePlantQueen

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Perhaps there wouldn’t be an outcry for a public inquiry if even SOME of the 20 recommendations put forward 2years ago had been implemented!

Why haven’t they been?
Any inquiry won’t have been cheap.

A waste of taxpayers money then?

Well, Boris Johnson did described money spent on investigating historic sexual abuse cases as "spaffing money up the wall"

"I think an awful lot of money, an awful lot of police time, now goes into these historic offences and all this malarkey and you know £60million I saw has been spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse?

... "all this malarkey"... "some investigation into historic child abuse"...

And then, later, attempted to justify the use of his "spaffed up the wall" comment by insinuating that it didn't mean what the person who was interviewing him thought it meant - that he, the interviewer, was using his own interpretation of the phrase.

What an oaf.

Anyone who says “I’m with Elon Musk” with a straight face is either a bot being paid by the Reform Party, or deluded. Musk is a mad man who spends his time ranting while in a ketamine induced haze

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Perhaps there wouldn’t be an outcry for a public inquiry if even SOME of the 20 recommendations put forward 2years ago had been implemented!

Why haven’t they been?
Any inquiry won’t have been cheap.

A waste of taxpayers money then?

Well, Boris Johnson did described money spent on investigating historic sexual abuse cases as "spaffing money up the wall"

It includes targeting gangs involved with younger children, this gang targeted 7 children over near 10 years

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

GrannyGravy13

Allira rape is not age related.

It is penetration by a penis, without consent.

Yes.
But if minors over 13 are groomed they will think they are giving consent.
I believe that could be statutory rape.

MissAdventure

Oh yes, it's those things first and foremost, but the grooming ensures a supply, who won't cry "rape", who will bring similar girls into the picture, and will comply.

That's the ideal scenario for groups of men interested in sex with children, and how it can go on for so long, and involve so many people.

Aided and abetted by like minded perverts.

Oh yes, it's those things first and foremost, but the grooming ensures a supply, who won't cry "rape", who will bring similar girls into the picture, and will comply.

That's the ideal scenario for groups of men interested in sex with children, and how it can go on for so long, and involve so many people.

Allira rape is not age related.

It is penetration by a penis, without consent.

MissAdventure

They are grooming the girls to "consent" to have sex; except children can't consent.
They are offering drink, drugs, affection, a sense of belonging, as well as pretending that these girls are their girlfriends, and that they love them.

It's how predators work, and it's grooming.

It is grooming but under-age sex with a minor under the age of 13 is rape. Anyone under 13 is not considered capable of giving consent.
Having sex with someone over the age of 13 but under 16 could be considered sexual assault. If the child is under 18 and the other person is in a position of trust then that is also sexual assault.

That is how I understood it; others may know more.

rafichagran

Elon Musk should mind his own business, and look to the injustices that happen to the black, poor, and people either learning disabilities, and mental health in the USA. His country is a disgrace at times.

Elon thinks he should run the world since he is the richest man in it. He must be stopped!

Yes but it doesnt include the word rape.

MissAdventure

They are grooming the girls to "consent" to have sex; except children can't consent.
They are offering drink, drugs, affection, a sense of belonging, as well as pretending that these girls are their girlfriends, and that they love them.

It's how predators work, and it's grooming.

Exactly, calculated and disgusting behaviour.

They are grooming the girls to "consent" to have sex; except children can't consent.
They are offering drink, drugs, affection, a sense of belonging, as well as pretending that these girls are their girlfriends, and that they love them.

It's how predators work, and it's grooming.

grooming gangs like smuggling gangs perhaps has a similar appeal. A gang of baddies all huddled together who mean us harm.
I suspect it's much more complex.

I think her first sentence is really important, I am beginning to think we need to look closely at the term grooming gangs, language is always a battle field in the rights of women and children.

undines

They are not 'grooming gangs', they are rape gangs. There are those who say that the word 'grooming' was chosen so as not to harm inclusivity, and that makes sense to me. I have no time for Elon Musk but I don't see anyone has a right to object to his remarks as our Labour politicians were trying to influence the American election. Besides, these gangs are an atrocity, and so, arguably, a concern of anyone, anywhere, who is genuinely concerned with human rights.Of course Kemi Badenoch is going to have her say now, and in so doing she is no different from any other politician in opposition. The gangs should be rooted out and the entire thing exposed, from root to branch, and, where applicable, extraditions should take place, and long prison sentences imposed. Dream on! Wokery rules the day and the rights of women and children can go a-begging.

Don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Current gangs are being "rooted out" whether they have white or ethnic backgrounds under the guidelines as above in the Police Units set up for this specific purpose. Do read the details as they are very victim centred and also address your concerns about ethnicity.

www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

There is nothing "new" to discuss.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m not blaming Labour per sec MayBee but the ball just happens to be in their court now for 4+ years so whether they run with it or not is their call now.

But you are making a point of pin pointing Jess Philips who, imo has done a great deal of work over the years to protect women and is a pretty decent hard working constituency MP. Unlike your beloved Farage.

Why does Elon Musk feel that we need his input? Similarly Tony Blair - constant pronouncements about current affairs. These people must have a really inflated sense of their own importance.

MayBee70 it frightens me even more that people are still subscribing to left/right politics. They are two wings of the same totalitarian bird. Badenoch dangerous? Hardly more than Starmer, with his love of the WEF. It frightens me that our free speech is being taken away in the name of political correctness. It frightens me that so few people can see how we are being lied to, and do not try to join up the dots.

They are not 'grooming gangs', they are rape gangs. There are those who say that the word 'grooming' was chosen so as not to harm inclusivity, and that makes sense to me. I have no time for Elon Musk but I don't see anyone has a right to object to his remarks as our Labour politicians were trying to influence the American election. Besides, these gangs are an atrocity, and so, arguably, a concern of anyone, anywhere, who is genuinely concerned with human rights.Of course Kemi Badenoch is going to have her say now, and in so doing she is no different from any other politician in opposition. The gangs should be rooted out and the entire thing exposed, from root to branch, and, where applicable, extraditions should take place, and long prison sentences imposed. Dream on! Wokery rules the day and the rights of women and children can go a-begging.

love0c

Houseplant queen. I did not vote for this government without a moral compass. But I bet you did!

Yes I did, and although disappointed in some of their decisions I am smart enough to understand that 14 years of under investment cannot be reversed over night, and also that the labour govt have an uphill struggle with some of the press and their ill informed and inflammatory headlines. I do have a moral compass which was why I had such a problem with Johnson, and now do with the Reform party.

Since your opener was " Scandalous" and mention of a Labour MP and praise for Musk, I do wonder who you are blaming?

I’m not blaming Labour per sec MayBee but the ball just happens to be in their court now for 4+ years so whether they run with it or not is their call now.