Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

Posters with a professional background in safeguarding have offered their thoughts.The professionals and politicians who fought to bring this to light have offered time and time again their insights.
People from the same ethnic backgrounds as the perpetrators have spoken out and in one case fought to pursue justice.

So what is to be gained by making this about Labour or Reform or Musk.It's dreadful.

I think this thread should be about all grooming and how badly it's been dealt with GG13, after all the huge majority has been by white men. Why pick on gangs of Asian origin only?

It's quite clear what the Telegraph - and you - are trying to do FGT political bandwagon wise. The usual Starmer attack by trying to pick him out of a long complex and already much investigated issue. Hundreds of police, S workers, other agencies all contributed. As well as the lack of knowledge of how to deal with this and victim blaming.

The situation we have has been ongoing since the late 1990's - 25+ years - and victims of perps of all backgrounds white/Asian/mixedhave been let down.

What matters is that our society is equipped to support, bring justice for victims, turn the victim blaming around, offer support, and above all try and intervene early in situations

And supporting Farage.

Galaxy

The BBC and other channels enabled Brand for years, and he wasnt the first, the left and the right are steeped in misogyny, it is just a different flavour of misogyny, and I am not interested in either.

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This goes far above political sides

This is men enabling and/or covering up for other men’s horrific behaviour.

Like I said up thread, Jeffrey Epstein, Catholic Church, Church of England, BBC etc all equally as bad.

But, this thread is about the systematic abuse and rape if white under age girls (children) by grooming gangs of men of ethnic minorities.

Dickens

Anniebach

I didn’t say. I. Resent his intrusion, why a billionaire involved in
American politics is suddenly speaking of a town in England, why speak of Tommy Robinson , why is he attacking Labour government but I don’t recall his criticism of the Tory government?

...Good Morning Anniebach

All good questions.

I'm not sure his goal is altruistic. Why now? Why make controversial and sensational comments about the UK being on the brink of civil war?

Why is he so invested in British politics?

It's very worrying and quite frightening.

One poster asked why he should not be allowed to express an opinion on this when we can all voice our opinions on world affairs.

The difference is that Musk is an extremely wealthy and consequently powerful individual, he has the ear of the President Elect of the USA and could in fact influence foreign policy.
We, on the other hand, have little influence except at the ballot box or by protesting in person or by signing petitions.

Musk's suggestion about Jess Phillips is ludicrous but also dangerous.

He cares nothing for the abused girls as he has supported such misogynists as Brand and Tate. He is just trying to interfere in British politics and democracy and seizing any opportunity.

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An interesting comment from another article in the DT this morning:

“Zia Yusuf, Reform’s chairman, is a Muslim. What will he make of Mr Musk’s support for a man who called Islam “a fascist and violent religion”?

Mr Farage has made his views on Tommy Robinson plain. He is toxic and so is everything he stands for. The problem is that a perception could quickly - no matter how wrongly - grow that because Mr Farage is close to Mr Musk, Mr Farage must also be a supporter of Robinson.”

Today in The Telegraph:

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LABOUR has blocked an inquiry into Sir Keir Starmer’s conduct as head of the Crown Prosecution Service while investigating the Oldham child grooming scandal.

The BBC and other channels enabled Brand for years, and he wasnt the first, the left and the right are steeped in misogyny, it is just a different flavour of misogyny, and I am not interested in either.

Musk is right there in the O/P hardly surprising there are comments? But by all means let's use the best language.

As for Musk and women, lets not forget (Telegraph)

"Elon Musk and Andrew Tate offer support to Russell Brand amid ‘serious criminal allegations’
The comedian has been accused of a rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse

"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/16/russell-brand-scandal-support-elon-musk-kirsty-gallacher/"

Julie Bindel covered it in 2006 as well.

Thank you petra , yes she would weep

petra it’s heartbreaking

Ann Cryer brought this horror to the public’s attention 25 years ago
And look where we are now. I’m glad she’s not here now to see how much worse it is. She would weep 😥

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ann-cryer-and-the-fight-to-expose-child-grooming-gangs-in-yorkshire-1751079

The O/P had no concerns for Musk, it Praised him

Perhaps it is no different to using it to highlight concerns about Musk.
There are interesting points being made online about the use of the term grooming gang and whether that language minimises what is happening. Language is always important in safeguarding, whilst I understand that grooming is a particular method of control, I think there is a case that we should continually highlight that this is the organised rape of children.

Wyllow Jess Phillips accuses the far right of the very same

It is time for action after the 20 years not more talking or inquiries. Strengthen the police body that has been specifically set up to address grooming - it has all the right moves forward in there, interagency work, police awareness, enough staff to tackle it.

FGT - I agree with Iam upthread that you are using these dreadful crimes to further your own political advertising platform, and I find it beyond distasteful you've chosen to exploit the young women in this way.

Iam64

Nazir Afzal and Maggie Oliver really understand the issues around grooming gangs. We’ve had numerous inquiries, their recommendations consistent. That’s where the focus should be, on implementing recommendations. Use whatever money is available to improve investigations, prosecutions, support for victims but, especially in preventive skilled support for children and families.
My direct experience was not that police/social care/health etc were ignoring the crimes in order to avoid being accused of racism. It was more because of the complexities of prosecuting where victims were seen as likely to be destroyed by defence lawyers. I’m not denying poor practice or dreadful responses by individual police officers.
One key issue was child sexual abuse within families was investigated by dedicated, specially trained officers. Child abuse, even organised sexual exploitation like these girls experienced, was picked up by whichever uniformed officer happened to be there. There should have been force wide teams - which I expect is one of the recommendations

One of the problems faced was getting young girls to give evidence against their abusers. In the docu drama Three Girls we saw one of the girls intimidated by her abusers, she was told her younger sister would be raped and the family house burnt down if she said anything. There was a grooming gang four miles away from where we live, one of the girls became pregnant with one of her abusers and had a daughter with him, they set up home together but it was an abusive relationship. She became pregnant again but tried to end the relationship and went back to her parents, her ex partner set fire to her family house after removing his child and putting her in the garden, everybody except the girl’s father and the baby died. This level of intimidation and violence seemed to be the norm, no wonder the girls were scared to speak out.

Not true. I have castigated the Tories too in my comments of condemnation. As Wyllow reminds us, Maggie Oliver says 20 years ago recommendations were made and none have, as yet, been implemented. That alone is shocking and covers politicians of all stripes.

I feel it’s time for real change (not Starmer’s vision). That’s why I support Reform.

Really FGT, you acknowledge this thread was canvassing for Farage

Dickens

Anniebach

I didn’t say. I. Resent his intrusion, why a billionaire involved in
American politics is suddenly speaking of a town in England, why speak of Tommy Robinson , why is he attacking Labour government but I don’t recall his criticism of the Tory government?

...Good Morning Anniebach

All good questions.

I'm not sure his goal is altruistic. Why now? Why make controversial and sensational comments about the UK being on the brink of civil war?

Why is he so invested in British politics?

I would imagine that he has had conversations with Nigel Farage, he seems to be backing him - possibly financially but certainly on X. It isn’t too much of a stretch to imagine that there are financial incentives surrounding the future of our NHS and some kind of deal or promise has been made by Farage. Why a man so rich would want even more money I just don’t know.

I cannot post links, there is a Guardian article quoting Ann Cryer who tried so hard for justice

HousePlantQueen

This has (successfully) turned into yet another anti-Labour, pro Reform thread artfully manoeuvred by FGT. Shame on you for using the appalling rapes of children to do so.

Not true. I have castigated the Tories too in my comments of condemnation. As Wyllow reminds us, Maggie Oliver says 20 years ago recommendations were made and none have, as yet, been implemented. That alone is shocking and covers politicians of all stripes.

I feel it’s time for real change (not Starmer’s vision). That’s why I support Reform.

S African by birth, was an illegal immigrant in US, overstayed student visa for years but now is a US citizen. EM is a dangerous person, his money is buying him huge unelected power and he operates purely from self interest. He is meddling in our politics and IMO is a potential threat to our democracy.

I’m not sure it does depend on your politics GrannyGravy13, I think it depends on whether you believe people from outside your country should get publicly involved in the internal politics of your country. Wealth provides a platform for people who are not elected to do so. I don’t care who it is, as far as I’m concerned they should butt out because it’s nothing to do with them.