Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

Iam64👍🏻

I know Iam64, I was being unduly snippy. I know without a doubt you prioritise women and children.

Galaxy

I hope Musk isnt litigious as they say

I think that like DT Musk tweets non stop and therefore won’t remember anything he says or anything others say😁

X posted with a number of people. I hope my post clarifies my sympathy is for victims not with the phone in caller who had the nerve to paint himself as one.

Thanks Oreo and Galaxy. It’s such a hideous subject. I’ve come too close to talking about children I know were abused by these gangs. I sit on my hands but it does bring some very painful disgusting things back

I do wonder how musk has the time to tweet so prolifically, whatever people may think of him, the businesses he runs are complex ones, I suppose on the other hand he wont have to do any of the things that 'ordinary' people have to do.

I suspect he has ‘people’ to run his businesses. I know it’s frivolous on such a serious thread but - reading Galaxy post the image I saw was Johnnie Depp as Willie Wonka.
Asperger’s is said to be a Musk diagnosis. As the gran of an adult neuro diverse grandson I say don’t excuse bad behaviour by a neuro diverse diagnosis. Musk is very bright and responsible for his own behaviiur

I managed children homes in the nineties, without going into it in detail, the children I worked with werent vulnerable to this specific issue, however I was party to
some discussions about girls who were vulnerable to it. There was a view of those girls amongst some professionals (a minority) that there was nothing they could do about the behaviour of the children, it was about 'choice'. The discussions I heard were mainly around drug use rather than abuse but it was similar. So there is another layer I think, not just fear of being called racist, not just seeing the girls as worthless, but also a layer about granting them consent/choice when they couldnt give it.

Sorry Iam64 I moved back to serious stuff!

I’m with you Galaxy, I wasn’t a residential worker but had regular contact with managers and staff. I first became aware of the crimes we are discussing in 1998. The majority of sw/resi workers were clear, police investigation needed. An experienced group who shouted loud. Police claimed not enough resources for the specialists teams we knew were needed.
There iv said it. At no stage was ethnicity/fear of being accused of racism raised by anyone to my knowledge

Whilst Jendrick did nothing at all, Johnson was talking about 'spaffing money up the wall'- this is what Jess said

fb.watch/wZgxwS7d05/

Yes that comment from Johnson was and remains shocking

sorry her speech in the Commons at the time is a FaceBook link- but it is her actual speech in the House.

Thank you for posting that link, I hope that everyone who has criticised Jess will feel thoroughly ashamed.

my point is not about individuals but the underlying culture going unchallenged. the recent terrible death and torture of a vulnerable child by her fatherwho actually said he believed he was entitled to punish her because she was naughty,
it is the immensely bad attitude to girls and women that we need to challenge.

Yes, attitudes to women and girls have a long way to go in our society. The sheer numbers of domestic incidents by men against women tells the story clearly.

That’s the key point here Wyllow3, the violence and sexual abuse by men, that women and children are subjected to - most often within their own home
In saying this I’m not avoiding acknowledging the organised abuse gangs under discussion

pinkquartz

my point is not about individuals but the underlying culture going unchallenged. the recent terrible death and torture of a vulnerable child by her fatherwho actually said he believed he was entitled to punish her because she was naughty,
it is the immensely bad attitude to girls and women that we need to challenge.

Which culture is this please? Do you ever see professional Muslim women going about their daily business?

Sorry to have to point this out but "they" are not all the same.

Jeanathome

pinkquartz

my point is not about individuals but the underlying culture going unchallenged. the recent terrible death and torture of a vulnerable child by her fatherwho actually said he believed he was entitled to punish her because she was naughty,
it is the immensely bad attitude to girls and women that we need to challenge.

Which culture is this please? Do you ever see professional Muslim women going about their daily business?

Sorry to have to point this out but "they" are not all the same.

I would like to know why these professional Muslim women in this country are not banding together and speaking out against the horrific crimes of their men. They are presumably well educated and used to public speaking so why is the silence from them so deafening?

Primrose you have missed a reference I posted upthread. The Muslim Council of Britain has spoken up very strongly

mcb.org.uk/mcb-we-need-truth-and-action-against-child-sexual-abuse-gangs-not-a-racist-witch-hunt/

The current Secretary General of the council is a woman, Zara Mohammed

who graduated with an LLM in Human Rights Law from the University of Strathclyde and is based in Glasgow. She was elected as the youngest and first female Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain in January 2021.

The main culture in the grooming gangs were men from a predominantly Pakistani heritage background Jeanathome which is now so well known that you must already know that.It was in the official investigation report.

The point of Jeanathome's post I thought was "dont tar all with he same brush" which is also raised of course in the report I have just referenced.

When the Cornish grooming gang was exposed and sentenced, did anyone say it was about the culture of the men? When the paedophile rings of the 70's and 80's were exposed, did anyone ask about the culture of these men? No, of course they didn't, they were recognised for what they were/are ie vile deviant men so why do people try to use culture or religion in other cases? Probably because it plays into the racist playbook.

I think Labour are right to use the existing enquiries to move things forward rather than causing further delay by more enquiries. The potential victims need action now.

It has been playing into the racist playbook. We now have Jenrick feeling free to make borderline public Islamophobic statements.

When we talk about this request for further inquiries being "political", in another sense,
I feel we have to consider that Musk and co and those demanding an inquiry are deliberately using the demands to demonise a whole group of people under the guise of "justice".