Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

Sentence near the end should read

In other words, we've had the inquiries FGS get on and act on them dont ask for more!

Breaking news:

Both Nazir Afzal and Maggie Oliver mentioned in the threads above above as key figures in revealing the extent of past cases and as reliable and trustworthy figures as regards enquiries have have hit back at demands from senior Conservatives and the billionaire Elon Musk for a national inquiry into child sexual exploitation

"he catalyst for which was so-called grooming gangs. It cost millions and the last government failed to accept much of its recommendations.

“There has also been an inquiry headed up by [the former Conservative home secretary] Sajid Javid for the Centre for Social Justice which they ignored too,” he told the Guardian.

“Local independent inquiries of the sort carried out in Telford are more likely to achieve safer streets and protect victims.”

Oliver, who left the police to speak out about the lack of protection for victims, told the Guardian: “We’ve already had a national abuse inquiry – seven years, 20 recommendations and none implemented

“We need someone who is going to do something not just talk – more empty promises and political manoeuvrings.”

In other words, we've had the injuries, FGS get on and act on them dont ask for more!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/02/ex-chief-prosecutor-rejects-musks-calls-for-new-child-abuse-inquiry

If in this conversation the people you are angry at is Musk, etc then I dont know what to say.

Trump better. ? no

Anniebach

Musk, Trump,. Trump, Farage,. Musk Farage

Indeed. Better than Corbyn, Mrs May, Lammy and Reeves, no?

Well, exactly. 💁

Lots of assertions, a few carefully selected stats. Yes, in those cases going back to 1990's one ethnic group was over represented.

No argument.

No excuses

But this Telegraph rhetoric is deliberately biased to create a particular narrative. ie, anti any party except for Reform (Despite some grossly racist and some sexist comments by Reform candidates).

How many times it it necessary to say that the largest proportion of grooming gangs are white and we have to look at the problem as a whole?

Musk, Trump,. Trump, Farage,. Musk Farage

The Tories had ample time to carry out full investigations when they were in government....now after being dumped by the people they are discovering a taste for justice and holding the complicit authorities accountable...

I will be voting for Reform. Again.

To protect “community relations”, the British state has gone to immense lengths to cover it up. Reports have been blocked and deliberately kept out of the public eye. Any connection with ethnicity, immigration, or Islam was downplayed. The reports that have been published have been whitewashed – the evidence that British Pakistani men were over-represented among the perpetrators was spiked to avoid uncomfortable truths. But a recent study showed that, in Telford, one in 126 Muslim men were prosecuted between 1997 and 2017, and in Rotherham the figure was one in 73.

I am certain that, after all these years, these rape gangs are still destroying lives. Somewhere, as you read this, a girl may be being abused just as despicably as the ones whose fate we now know of. Why? Because the institutions that failed these vulnerable girls are still contaminated with cowardice. Many perpetrators evaded arrest and remain on the streets. Those who were jailed received shockingly lax sentences and are now being released, free to walk the same streets as their victims.

Robert Jenrickin today’s Telegraph:

“ Even those who mention it tend to tiptoe around the subject. The “grooming gang” label is deployed euphemistically to sanitise depraved crimes and make them acceptable for public consumption. So we should start by calling it what it truly is. If you read the testimony of the victims – and believe me, it’s tough – it’s clear they were rape torture gangs, perpetrating the most heinous sexual crimes imaginable on an industrial scale.

For two decades, the plight of thousands of young girls, barely teenagers, was swept under the carpet. Police forces, councils, charities, and politicians elevated community relations over protecting vulnerable women from monstrous sexual violence. They allowed little girls to be raped rather than risk being accused of racism by highlighting their abuse. Their cowardice should haunt them.

But the scandal is now back with a vengeance. Safeguarding minister Jess Phillips’ decision to reject Oldham Council’s calls for a government-led inquiry has sparked outrage. On Wednesday, Elon Musk alighted on the scandal, shaming the establishment by taking more interest in bringing these rape gangs to justice in one evening than most of the British establishment has for decades.

The impunity has ended because the unvarnished truth is coming out. As recently as last year, the scandal was widely considered on the Left to be a Right-wing conspiracy theory. But the courageous victims and campaigners refused to be silenced. And a handful of brave reporters, like Charlie Peters at GB News, were willing to report what many mainstream media outlets wouldn’t.

Despite the physical intimidation, threats and false charges of Islamophobia, they kept digging away. What we once thought was confined to a few pockets is now known to have taken place up and down the country, everywhere from Bristol to Glasgow”

Thanks Wyllow. Naz Shah understands abuse of children and women in her community

Thank you Wyllow

Iam64

I’ve read the long bbc article on line, which gives the correct information, I’m sorry my tech skills are poor, or I’d provide a link.
Naz Shah retweeted a post from Owen Jones in anparody account. It said ‘exactly Areeq, those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of // diversity’.
She immediately deleted it, claiming it was an accident. Is it possible irony was involved? I don’t know but I agree wuth this quote -“ but NS had a 20 year record of working on the issues of child abuse, violence against women and grooming which is well documented ‘. (Full fact social media)

This is the article I think outlining what happened to Naz Shah and what really happened and her long record of speaking up and out

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-54373013

*The Leave.EU statement said: "While the publication had been intended to be satirical; we appreciate that it was ill-judged and untrue.

We accept that Ms Shah is not an 'apologist' for grooming gangs but is a vociferous campaigner for victims of grooming gangs

Under no circumstances should there be enquiries that cover all domestic abuse, violence against women, that is too broad and will achieve nothing.
Oh and I disagree about Jess Phillips, she was useless in the last safeguarding issue ( single sex spaces) so I am afraid I dont trust her on issues relating to women and girls.
The women I do trust are all calling for specific enquiries.

Yes men
We have a world wide problem with men

Wyllow3 I find it sickening that people of any description cover up systemic abuse of minors.

It’s about power more than sex.

These men do it, just because they can.

GrannyGravy13

For the record I do not give a flying pig about the nationality of any grooming gang.

I do want them all investigated and treated equally, no tippy toeing around, whether they are from Bradford or Jeffrey Epstein’s Island.

Agreed, if the inquiry is on fact a major report on violence against girls and women including grooming and other forms of abuse. But all the examples above were given from the Muslim groomers and not a word on others. We've just had a report on all white abuse in the Church of England.

The crucial question is, given the awareness on grooming gangs, and the government setting up specific task forces last year, is it going to help girls and women right now in the present?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

and where is Maggie Olivers New Years honour?

Conspicuous by its absence…

I’ve been thinking about what a public inquiry would be able to achieve that hasn’t been put in place already as a result of the previous national and local actions. This couldn’t be an inquiry akin to Windrush, the Bloods scandal, or the Postmasters, which focus on failures by specific public bodies, which all have a clear resolution potential. I understand Iam64’s point about men finding exploitation opportunities, and other than the actions already enacted or which are in the pipeline, it feels to me that disparate circumstances will continue to present such men with opportunities, so a public inquiry could end up without a way forward that hasn’t already been enacted, and that would close off opportunities for abuse. I’m open to persuasion though, and interested to hear what exactly Gransnetters feel would be the benefits.

and where is Maggie Olivers New Years honour?

Iam64

Good to see we both consulted a search engine Rosie51. Naz Shah might not be everyone’s cup of tea but posting this about her begins to feel like an attack on Muslims.

This is my concern too.

I don’t know GrannyGravy13. No disagreements but is it possible she made a mistake as she claims? Her record in no way suggests she is anything other than a champion of victims /women. I’ve not consulted a search engine but I remember interviews in which she’s been critical of men in her community of origin because of domestic and other abuse

For the record I do not give a flying pig about the nationality of any grooming gang.

I do want them all investigated and treated equally, no tippy toeing around, whether they are from Bradford or Jeffrey Epstein’s Island.

Iam64

Good to see we both consulted a search engine Rosie51. Naz Shah might not be everyone’s cup of tea but posting this about her begins to feel like an attack on Muslims.

Not at all, I am curious why she thought it ok to retweet something which was foul.

No one should shut their mouths in favour of diversity. There is no excuse for those things said. They are out in the public domain. Nothing has been said above that has not been known for some considerable time.
Of course they should be called out like above.

I don't disagree with a word about how bad the incidents were nor that there were delays and cover-ups and dreadful let downs over a long period.

What I don't understand is why we need yet another enquiry for Oldham? I also wonder why we are not discussing grooming gangs as a whole since of course the majority are white men, if the intention is to have an enquiry that will benefit the future -

that is the levels of grooming and domestic violence against women addressed as a whole.

What matters is what's happening now, and to further measures like the NSPCC are asking for www.nspcc.org.uk/about-us/news-opinion/2024/online-grooming-crimes-increase/