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Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 02-Jan-25 13:35:45

Scandalous I think.
I’m with Elon Musk on this re his comments to Jess Phillips.

Elon Musk attacked the decision as “disgraceful” and Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, said a full national inquiry into rape gangs was “long overdue”.

Jess Phillips, Labour’s safeguarding minister, insisted it was “for Oldham council alone”.

Really Jess?

JaneJudge Thu 02-Jan-25 16:44:54

Men have been causing a lot of problems haven’t they? In all sorts of ways for decades. White British and Irish men in the Catholic Church. Men involved in childrens homes in the UK
Elon musk impregnating anyone who wants his superior sperm even if they work for him
Tommy R causing other problems with male violence in the Uk

I know the solution. Let’s send a female MP to prison

JaneJudge Thu 02-Jan-25 16:41:44

Why is Elon Musk aligning himself with Tommy Robinson though? It’s really odd

Anniebach Thu 02-Jan-25 16:40:44

Because they only had 14 years , Labour has had 6 months ?

Casdon Thu 02-Jan-25 16:38:50

Does anybody know why the Tories didn’t initiate a public inquiry when they were in power?

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 02-Jan-25 16:30:42

Okay, point taken about Musk.
And GBNews.

BUT there’s headlines in the DMail today about this.
And the Telegraph.
So yes, ignore chatter about it but it’s not going away.

It’s a national issue. Given that these grooming gangs business models operated in Bradford, Rotherham, Rochdale, Bristol, Derby, Halifax, Huddersfield, Manchester, Newcastle, Oxford, and Telford, at least that we know of, it is absurd that the enquiries should continue at a local level.

And Wyllow you like facts. I read the sentencing remarks of this case (put the complete phrase into Google):
SENTENCING REMARKS OF HIS HONOUR JUDGE PETER ROOK QC 27 JUNE 2013
If ever there was any question left over the incompatibility of certain cultures, this is it.
The whole thing is like a censored horror movie but ten times worse. In particular page 11 paragraphs 53 & 54 are so grotesque that I can’t unsee them.

Wheniwasyourage Thu 02-Jan-25 16:24:14

I certainly agree that these grooming gangs, and all other child abusers, whatever their ethnic background need to be dealt with quickly and very firmly.

Interesting that there seem to have been several anti-government threads started by FGT who has made no secret of her preference for Reform in the past.

As for Elon Musk, what business is it of his?

MissAdventure Thu 02-Jan-25 16:07:01

What a pillock.

Casdon Thu 02-Jan-25 15:22:24

I think a man who renames himself Kekius Maximus after the Greek god of primordial darkness, should be locked up, never mind try to influence British politics.

Rosie51 Thu 02-Jan-25 15:14:40

GrannyGravy13

Letter from Jess Phillips, safeguarding minister.

JP was so very vocal against the Conservatives for not doing enough, something I agree with, now she is backtracking.

So she agrees with the validity of wanting another enquiry, just thinks the local authority should fund it not the Government. Because of course local authorities have tons of spare cash lying around they can use! I used to like Jess Phillips but she has done nothing but disappoint for some time now.

Of course Elon Musk can have no influence on UK matters, but I'll defend his right to comment on them, and we can just ignore him. I'll defend the rights of the posters on this thread who comment and advise him to look closer to home and cite the problems the USA faces. I don't like the man but that's not a reason to silence him. Voltaire said it best.

I do wish the 'grooming gang' label could be more accurately substituted with 'child rape gangs' which is exactly what the perverts are.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 15:08:45

The conservative set up Government Task force I quoted above makes it clear

"Crucial to the taskforce’s work has been the development of the Complex and Organised Child Abuse Database, which provides forces with a more robust data picture of the scale, risk, prevalence and characteristics of group-based child sexual exploitation than ever before, helping forces to deploy their resources locally in the most targeted way,

and investigate without fear or favour around misplaced cultural sensitivities

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 15:04:22

GrannyGravy13

Oreo if only

I agree.

Boz Thu 02-Jan-25 15:02:03

I agree with Oreo. We need to move away from racial sensibilities, especially with grooming.
Jess Philips has been pulled back in line. Big Labour voters in Oldham.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 15:01:38

Googling tells me Musk has 3 nationalities, American, Canadian, and South African.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 02-Jan-25 15:00:00

Oreo if only

Oreo Thu 02-Jan-25 14:55:43

Aveline

These grooming gangs are diabolical. They're nothing new and should have been dealt with very severely years ago.

They sure should have been but the SS and police and maybe some teachers who were concerned felt wrongly hamstrung by worries about perceived racism and didn’t do their jobs.As simple as that.
I hope we have all moved on from that tiptoeing around racial sensibilities when investigating grooming.

Oreo Thu 02-Jan-25 14:50:23

rafichagran

Elon Musk should mind his own business, and look to the injustices that happen to the black, poor, and people either learning disabilities, and mental health in the USA. His country is a disgrace at times.

I thought he was a South African citizen? I don’t think he has any right to interfere in any other country’s business including the US.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:48:05

Letter from Jess Phillips, safeguarding minister.

JP was so very vocal against the Conservatives for not doing enough, something I agree with, now she is backtracking.

Silverling48 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:27:46

Don’t understand why OP states Labour has ‘come under fire’.
By whom? Elon musk? gb news? Ah, all clear now.
Perhaps mr musk should take more of an interest in what’s going on in his country.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:23:28

MissAdventure

Thanks, Wyllow3.

I thought it would be hard to find out info, but it's all there, isn't it?

You'd think GB news would have checked.

GB are not a reliable news source, if it was, the homework would have been done, for example, the previous enquiry alluded to in detail before explaining why another was thought to be so necessary:

it should also have alluded to the task force set up by the previous government, which is tacking matters in the present.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:19:11

Or perhaps Musk should say something about grooming gangs in his own country?

"In recent years the subject of child sexual exploitation has been at the forefront of most news channels in Europe but America has shied away from it, it is something that American networks would rather talk about others problems instead of their own.

Reason being? It’s likely America has the worst grooming gang scandal of all time and does not want to confront the problem

America does not use the term “grooming” like European nations do, child sexual exploitation falls under the term “sex trafficking”. However, “sex trafficking” does not convey the true nature of the abuse these young girls suffer and also implies they are adults, not children.

Because of the covert nature of child grooming, reliable estimates of the number of youth affected are lacking.

UNICEF has estimated that 300,000 minors are prostituted in the USA every single year, others have estimated 100,000.

It is without a doubt however that the number of children sexually exploited in the USA every year is from at least 100,000 to 350,000

medium.com/@jackmorton2406/americas-grooming-gang-epidemic-tens-of-thousands-of-girls-and-children-abused-every-year-27a9b626f992

MissAdventure Thu 02-Jan-25 14:15:12

Thanks, Wyllow3.

I thought it would be hard to find out info, but it's all there, isn't it?

You'd think GB news would have checked.

rafichagran Thu 02-Jan-25 14:14:57

Elon Musk should mind his own business, and look to the injustices that happen to the black, poor, and people either learning disabilities, and mental health in the USA. His country is a disgrace at times.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:09:15

Aveline

These grooming gangs are diabolical. They're nothing new and should have been dealt with very severely years ago.

It has started happening Aveline. The last Conservative government set up measures in 2022.

"Grooming Gangs Taskforce arrests hundreds in first year

A dedicated police taskforce set up to bring down grooming gangs has supported police forces in England and Wales to make hundreds of arrests in its first year. "

read here:
www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

GB news and Musk -do keep up!

MissAdventure Thu 02-Jan-25 14:05:33

🙄 Somebody has to, I guess.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Jan-25 14:04:37

"The review was commissioned in November 2019 by Oldham Council. It requested that Mr Burnham and the Greater Manchester Safeguarding Standards Board's independent chair conduct a review into safeguarding practices in Oldham.
The 202-page report is authored by Malcolm Newsam, a renowned child care expert, and Gary Ridgeway, a former detective superintendent with Cambridgeshire Police."

It was a full and proper enquiry, why does Musk in all his great wisdom think there needs to be another? (I bet he didn't even know there had been a full enquiry)