Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

Weaty

Where are all the parents of these young girls? No mention of their
responsibility. Do they not talk to their
children or wonder where they are?

Usually girls in care with no parental control and allowed free rein by the carers. These poor creatures were easy meat for the Asian men who wanted easy sex, often difficult to access through their own culture.
Starmer may be guilty of not wanting to upset the Asian vote he depends upon , or not, but mud sticks in politics and that is the aim of Musk.

Where are all the parents of these young girls? No mention of their
responsibility. Do they not talk to their
children or wonder where they are?

Starmer on his time at CPA

"Describing child sexual exploitation as "utterly sickening", Sir Keir defended his record in office as DPP, saying he tackled the issue "head on".

"I changed the system because I could see some of the things that were going wrong," he told reporters.

While DPP, Sir Keir introduced a special prosecutor for child abuse and sexual exploitation to oversee convictions;

changed the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) guidance to encourage police to investigate suspects in complex sexual abuse cases

and brought in court reforms aimed at making the process less traumatic for victims.

Sir Keir said he also reopened cases, brought the first prosecution of an "Asian grooming gang" in Rochdale and called for mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

*When I left office, we had the highest number of child sexual abuse cases being prosecuted on record," Sir Keir said.
"The victims here suffered terrible abuse," he said, "and then they weren't listened to*

Well, I recommend people reading it for themselves, including about what he did so whilst at the CPA, since I thought he spoke very well. And carefully, as he didn't give Musk any "airtime" but addressed the issues.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75wp53vk1lo

Jeanathome

I am sick to death of this. I find it highly insulting that there is some sort of weird competion about who can be more outraged.

As a woman, a mother and a Grandmother it makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm not convinced that more inquiry is needed. Those who are experts in the field are calling for action not words.

I also feel the abuse is being used ,by some factions to further their own agenda.

I also feel the abuse is being used ,by some factions to further their own agenda.

Not least Elon Musk.

I don't believe that anyone posting on here, regardless of their political stripe, wants to see the matter of child sexual abuse shoved under the carpet. We have children, grand children, and we are all aware of the murky underworld of rape-gangs of both Pakistani men and so-called 'grooming' gangs of paedophile-rings - and abuse of both girls and boys in care and religious institutions.

I don't know if a public inquiry would benefit or help the victims. I don't know to what extent there has been a cover-up, and I'm not denying there hasn't been any - the unimaginable abuse that Savile was somehow allowed to get away with under the noses of the BBC and the NHS is a measure of how 'blind eyes' are turned...

But what I am sure of is that if there is to be a public inquiry, it should be because we want to change permanently the way we monitor and deal with suspected abuse, and it should not involve an American tech-wizzard oligarch who is clearly orchestrating a political campaign against Starmer and who appears to be attempting to facilitate the 'civil war' in Britain he insisted was inevitable. He has fostered and amplified what is politely called 'misinformation' on his platform, all in the name of 'free-speech', because it suits his agenda. And he damned well has one.

Both the Left and the Right have been culpable in bringing about the sorry state that Britain is in on all levels, because that's how party politics works. But if we really care about sexually abused children then we have to keep party-politics out of this.

... which isn't going to happen, and certainly not here on GN, so I'm out now because this is just too depressing to even think about anymore.

Jeanathome

I do wonder if some people are disproprtionately interested in this topic.

I read what KS had to say. It seemed intelligent.

And I listened. His rebuttal wasn’t impressive. He was decidedly rattled. He looked very uncomfortable.

Jeanathome

I am sick to death of this. I find it highly insulting that there is some sort of weird competion about who can be more outraged.

As a woman, a mother and a Grandmother it makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm not convinced that more inquiry is needed. Those who are experts in the field are calling for action not words.

I also feel the abuse is being used ,by some factions to further their own agenda.

I totally agree with your post.

Wyllow3

Sago

No inquiry, Starmer has made an announcement.

I think this is a huge mistake.

He will not be able to protect himself or his MP’s forever.

Protect them against what? Who was in power for the last 14 years especially after the report came out?

Protect them against the likes of Musk, now discredited?

Starmer was DPP during this period.

Sago

No inquiry, Starmer has made an announcement.

I think this is a huge mistake.

He will not be able to protect himself or his MP’s forever.

Protect them against what? Who was in power for the last 14 years especially after the report came out?

Protect them against the likes of Musk, now discredited?

We've talked above about Starmer's response: here it is to read

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75wp53vk1lo

It includes the details of how he did tackle child abuse in his time at the CPS.

I'd like to add that its clear that Musk's interest was not really for the victims: he has done nothing in his own country about similar problems, for him, it is now absolutely clear it was a political bandwagon to get Tommy Robinson into a position of power by attempting to manipulate UK politics.

All a game, just as he is hitting at Germany with any handy issue to hand

"Child sexual abuse inquiry chair urges government to act"

wise words from Prof Alexis Jay, who led the inquiry that reported in 2022, frustrated that the 20 recommendations from the report have barely been started on

Prof Alexis Jay, the former chair of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse, has called for the "full implementation" of reforms set out in her 2022 report, which warned of "endemic" abuse across society in England and Wales.

A campaign group chaired by Prof Jay, called Act on IICSA, said ministers must commit to a "clear timeline" to adopt the recommendations laid out by the Independent Inquiry Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA). The government says it supports the changes.

The group warned against "politicising" sexual violence and pushed back against "misinformation".

Prof Jay also distanced herself from calls from the Conservatives and Reform UK for a new inquiry into grooming gangs

The IICSA national inquiry was set up in 2015 and carried out 15 investigations, including into grooming gangs and abuse in schools and church settings.
Prof Jay had previously led a landmark local inquiry into widescale abuse in Rotherham, where it was estimated 1,400 children were exploited between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by men of Pakistani heritage.

The IICSA's final report, external was published in 2022 and set out 20 recommendations it said were necessary to reduce child suffering.

In a statement issued on Sunday, Act on IICSA said: "Politicising the issue of sexual violence fails to acknowledge its lifelong impact and hinders the implementation of vital and urgent overhaul to our systems required

More further in article
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8xl4d3m81o

We don't need further inquires, its clear that we have to get on with the results of the 2022 one.

No inquiry, Starmer has made an announcement.

I think this is a huge mistake.

He will not be able to protect himself or his MP’s forever.

I am sick to death of this. I find it highly insulting that there is some sort of weird competion about who can be more outraged.

As a woman, a mother and a Grandmother it makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm not convinced that more inquiry is needed. Those who are experts in the field are calling for action not words.

I also feel the abuse is being used ,by some factions to further their own agenda.

Jeanathome

I do wonder if some people are disproprtionately interested in this topic.

I read what KS had to say. It seemed intelligent.

I do wonder if some people are disproprtionately interested in this topic.
What on earth does this mean? You think it's possible to be too concerned about the rape and abuse of children? I've been out all day so don't know what Starmer has said, I'll go and search online, was it about CSA?

I do wonder if some people are disproprtionately interested in this topic.

I read what KS had to say. It seemed intelligent.

I rest my case😊

As I say, fairness for ALL across the board is very much needed.

There are numerous muslim rape gangs.

But equally there are numerous other rape gangs who prey on young kids we know this too.

Politicians have been convicted along with other public office holders.

However - If you look at the cover ups over Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith to name just two then it becomes so obvious that the rape and sodomy of vulnerable children is widespread in our society and the offenders are being protected by some in government, police,CPS etc.

Information can no longer be hoarded by elites. Reality can no longer be denied. Social media, FoI etc has blown this wide open. Many in high positions should be hanging their heads in shame. What price culpability? How do they sleep at night? Where are the morals, the transparency, the determination to treat EVERYONE, no matter colour, ethnicity or religion EXACTLY the same in the eyes of the LAW? No ifs, no buts, no prejudices, no special relationships. Justice for ALL.

Iam64

Jeanathome

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

Sadly I feel the same. Starmer was good today especially on child sexual exploitation and abuse. I decided it just isn’t worth posting because nothing the PM does or says is as important as criticising him and Jess Phillips

Yes I agree. Starmer hits exactly the correct tone. Of course those weaned on populist politics will find his narrative and tone difficult to deal with, but that is inevitable.

Starmer was boring. Okay, it shouldn’t matter - he’s no orator as we all know - but it kinda does matter. Those senior nurses flanking him looked fed up. A captive audience indeed.

And as Christopher Hope from GBNews pointed out recently the grooming gangs (raping gangs let’s not beat about the bush with twee words) yes, Professor Jay published the report of her inquiry in 2023 and none of her 20 recommendations have as yet been implemented.

Pretty damning on the Tory party’s watch.

However what Mr Hope pointed out was even more shocking. Councils, social workers and even the police were pretty much marking their own homework and the inquiry (400 printed pages of it) covered only 6 councils out of more than 50. And an MP for Rochdale said “of all those pages, Rochdale got only one tiny mention. It was an inadequate report covering totally different types of crime - within the Church for example - and a full national inquiry into the specifics of these Pakistani gangs ought to be called for urgently”.

Jeanathome

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

Sadly I feel the same. Starmer was good today especially on child sexual exploitation and abuse. I decided it just isn’t worth posting because nothing the PM does or says is as important as criticising him and Jess Phillips

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

I’m a Maggie Oliver supporter but it’s untrue to say she’s done more than anyone else.

Iam64

GrannyGravy - I’m concerned your earlier post implies that girl children aged 9 are routinely seen as old enough for marriage and penetrative sex within British Muslim communities. That isn’t my experience nor have I seen research supporting your claims

The disgusting organised abuse by men of largely Pakistani Muslim men was aimed at very vulnerable white girls, the abusers rightly thought they’d get away with it because our legal system would see them as unreliable witnesses. Thank God for Nazir Afzal (a man of Muslim heritage) and police officers, social workers, health workers etc who jumped up and down, made a fuss, demanded their managers Do Something

Maggie Oliver is the one who has done more for this cause than anybody else.