Dennis the Menace and Beryl the Peril next door.

Iam64

That’s your strongly held view welwynwitch. I don’t share one bit of it

Nor do I, for what that's worth.

Can you link us to the 'reliable article', please, WelwynWitch? I'd like to see which advisor you are referencing.

www.theguardian.com/business/imf
Another different headline

That’s your strongly held view welwynwitch. I don’t share one bit of it

When a PM says someone has his full backing it means they don’t have long and in the case of Rachel from Account that time can’t come soon enough. This Government are hypocrites and their manifesto proves it. More than a couple of years ago I read a reliable article relating to a Labour adviser who told Two Tier Kier old people cost to much! They certainly didn’t mind immediately giving Tube drivers huge salary increase without any caveats improving services. No PM has been so disliked in first five months in office as Starmer and things are only going to get worst, billions being spent to aid foreign farmers whilst penalising our own is beyond belief, those billions could be spent on our NHS and borrowing is already going up. The last Labour Government under Brown borrowed to the hilt and sold off gold reserves cheaply, they were responsible for Austerity you can’t keep maxing out the ‘credit card’ without consequences.

Oreo

It’s like the Chagos Islands fiasco, just why !

Chagos is really a non issue only Diego Garcia is inhabitable it’s remote and will need subsidy from Mauritius to exist. There is very little fresh water to support a community.

The issue is the US air and Naval base, strategic in a limited way but the US is willing to pay for its use and it is not in anyone’s interest for the Chinese to control that region, which is exactly what will happen.

It’s like the Chagos Islands fiasco, just why !

Barleyfields

If Adams becomes legally entitled to claim compensation (along with hundreds of others) because the government changes the law, what is the government going to do to prevent a claim? It is opening the door. I am aware of the court decision but why was that not appealed and why does the government feel obliged to change the law? Who is compelling them?

Just what I was thinking too

None of those things means that I condone fitting people up and robbing them of years of their lives*, or denying people either humanity or human rights.

Gerry Adams has his life , his limbs, his sight and his health.
He and other members of the IRA deprived 1700 people of their lives and inflicted terrible injuries: 'the first thing I saw was a screaming, writhing torso', a policeman responder at the scene of the Birmingham pub bombings.
Human rights?

The government will look at "every conceivable way" to prevent former Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams from receiving compensation, the prime minister has said.
Sir Keir Starmer was speaking in the House of Commons after the Conservatives said it was "shameful" that repealing the Legacy Act could put Mr Adams in line for a "cheque".
The Legacy Act presently blocks him - and many others interned without trial in the 1970s - from claiming compensation for unlawful detention.

I, too, have Irish connections, and I condemn terrorism wherever it occurs. I have no rose-coloured spectacles, and suggesting that anyone who simply disagrees with people on here must be unable to see the truth removes all possibility of debate, as does leaving a thread when it gets difficult.

None of those things means that I condone fitting people up and robbing them of years of their lives*, or denying people either humanity or human rights. Any of us could be accused of anything, and if the law is able to say we are not human so have no rights, we would be living in a terrifying system.

*I am not saying that this happened to Gerry Adams. I am saying that if he (or anyone else) is entitled to compensation under the HRA, then something must have happened to him that violated his human rights. If it didn't, he won't be eligible.

Who knows how much internment contributed to the growth of the IRA/other terrorist groups aka freedom fighters.
I don’t support terrorists whether republicans or para military Protestant groups. I don’t see them as freedom fighters, or defenders of the crown. They’re gangsters in so many ways

We visited `Ireland regularly during the troubles. I had a close friend living in the north. We’d often drive to Stranraer - Larne , stay in the north, then travel south for a beach/city holiday. We were always made welcome. I do remember with great sadness seeing the black flags everywhere during the hunger strikes. Bobby Sands 09.03.54 - 05.05.81 died when on hunger strike while imprisoned at HMP Maze. He was imprisoned after being caught and convicted of a bombing in 1976. There was a gun battle with the RUC and Sands was arrested, sentenced to 14 years for firearms possession. He led the 1981 hunger strike.

I find it difficult/in fact impossible to consider the deaths during the hunger strikes as anything other than political acts. I’m English ( dna ancestory claims Scandi/ Northern European/irish/scottish, so the usual Brit mix). England has many things to be proud of. Our historical behaviour in Ireland isn’t one of them. The work during the Good Friday Agreement is something to be proud of. So is the occasion when Her Majesty shook the hand of M McGuiness.

It’s a desperate, complex history that we all need to breathe deeply and work for peace. I don’t see them hope Mr Adam’s doesn’t try to claim compensation

Roi not rio

@ madeleine45 didn’t the French call Roy Jenkins le Rio Jean Quinze for his arrogant treatment and rather aristocratic tastes.? He didn’t have the common touch.

How many of those interned were innocent of any crime, including belonging to a terrorist organisation? Should we have waited in the hope of catching them red-handed putting a bomb together/taking it to a place where innocent citizens could be blown up/setting it off? Who knows how many more innocent people would have been killed were it not for internment?

Allira

Blowing up innocent people is never right.

It's wonderful to look back as some of you do with rose-tinted spectacles.
Some of us knew the reality.

Of course it's wrong to blow people up. I'm sure all of us know that. Who is defending it.

It's also wrong to lock innocent people up.

If Adams becomes legally entitled to claim compensation (along with hundreds of others) because the government changes the law, what is the government going to do to prevent a claim? It is opening the door. I am aware of the court decision but why was that not appealed and why does the government feel obliged to change the law? Who is compelling them?

Starmer said in Parliament the government will do all in its power to prevent Gerry Adams getting compensation. So yet another false claim about Starmer.
His legal career did include Human Rights - good.

Sign petition against Starmers Chagos Islands deal.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702712

Allira

Yes, they do; innocent people were killed by the IRA.

However, it seems some posters will continue to defend them.

Time to leave this thread.

So does that make it OK to falsely accuse and imprison innocent people? Shouldn't we hold ourselves to a higher standard?

Innocent people were killed too

Yes, they do; innocent people were killed by the IRA.

However, it seems some posters will continue to defend them.

Time to leave this thread.

Allira

theworriedwell

Allira

Blowing up innocent people is never right.

It's wonderful to look back as some of you do with rose-tinted spectacles.
Some of us knew the reality.

Well my spectacles aren't very rose coloured. Say I did like a drink and occasionally went to an Irish Republican club would this officer have been OK deciding I was an IRA plant? How far would it have gone? Could I have gone to prison? Innocent people did go to prison so I suppose it is a possibility.

I don't know how far it did go, apparently investigations were made but was that me being followed (God they'd have been bored) or look at my family background? I suppose the family Orange Order links would have made it less likely I was an IRA plant but who knows.

I wasn't referring to your post, in fact didn't read it.

I will now.

It was just an illustration of how innocent people can get swept up in these things. My husband always says put me in a line up and anyone would pick me out as Irish (I think he's exaggerating a bit) and apparently that was enough for me to be labelled.

Anniebach

You are mistaken Allira

Oh, so it's ok to blow up innocent people including children?

This thread becomes more and more bizarre.

Or do you mean I am mistaken when I say I knew the reality,?
Why would you say that?

theworriedwell

Allira

Blowing up innocent people is never right.

It's wonderful to look back as some of you do with rose-tinted spectacles.
Some of us knew the reality.

Well my spectacles aren't very rose coloured. Say I did like a drink and occasionally went to an Irish Republican club would this officer have been OK deciding I was an IRA plant? How far would it have gone? Could I have gone to prison? Innocent people did go to prison so I suppose it is a possibility.

I don't know how far it did go, apparently investigations were made but was that me being followed (God they'd have been bored) or look at my family background? I suppose the family Orange Order links would have made it less likely I was an IRA plant but who knows.

I wasn't referring to your post, in fact didn't read it.

I will now.

You are mistaken Allira