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Failed PHD student sues Cambridge University

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Musicgirl Wed 15-Jan-25 12:41:23

It has been reported that a former PHD student, Jacob Meagher, who did not successfully complete his doctorate, is taking Cambridge University to court because his disability - which is not specified - was not taken into account in the Viva Voce exam. He is claiming that this has cost him a lucrative career as a barrister which he was promised on completion of his PHD. He was told that he could resubmit his thesis the following year, but has seemingly not done so, taking the university to court instead.

I feel that l am missing something somewhere. Whatever the reasons, this man did not pass his final exam. I can understand how disappointed he must have been, but if a course of study is on a pass or fail basis, surely you have to accept the possibility of failure.

I have taught piano, violin and viola all my career, as well as accompanying other instrumentalists and singers. I have entered countless people for exams. The vast majority have done really well, but, very occasionally, a candidate is not successful. Only once have l felt the decision was unfair. They have two choices - either to give up or learn from their mistakes.

A few years ago, I had an interview to become a music examiner myself. It was highly competitive and I was unsuccessful on this occasion. Was l disappointed? Of course, but I accepted that I was not the right person at the time. When I was thinking of of becoming a music examiner, people would ask me from time to time how I could bear to fail anyone. My answer was that I would not know the candidate personally and, if an exam was to retain its integrity, I could not possibly let a candidate pass if they were not playing at the standard they should be. I would always add that on the examiner’s report there is a section for general comments and I would write something along the lines of “unfortunately your playing was not up to the standard required to pass today.” This is important because it shows that it is not the end if someone fails on one particular occasion, but with a bit more work they have every chance of success on another occasion.

I think that the prizes for all culture that has been so prevalent in the past generation or so has led to some people being less resilient than in the past and also more entitled, which means that they will blame anyone but themselves when things do not go to plan. I would be very interested to hear other views on this topic.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 15-Jan-25 19:09:36

Fair point, M0nica.

Aveline Wed 15-Jan-25 19:59:07

Before my viva I read a book called, 'How to survive your viva'. They are obviously stressful events but that book was full of useful tips and practical information. I also had a practise viva with colleagues before hand. It was much worse than the real thing!
This man should have prepared much better before it.

Freya5 Thu 16-Jan-25 10:49:34

Nowadays, it's always someone else fault.

Marjgran Fri 17-Jan-25 12:40:33

apparently he has been suing others too and he will no doubt have this litigation dismissed.

nanna8 Fri 17-Jan-25 12:43:27

Send him back to New Zealand.

Oldcareassistant Fri 17-Jan-25 12:48:30

I don't know how he could claim failing his PhD cost him a barrister career when, in fact he is already is one.

AuntieE Fri 17-Jan-25 13:07:31

My immediate feeling was that if this man's disability was not taken into account at a viva voce and it should have been, then he does indeed have valid reasons to complain.

Doing so by taking the University to court, however, seems a little too much. A complaint to the Faculty or the Chancellor should have been sufficient. But, of course, he may have already lodged such a complaint.

I too suspect that he has no future as a barrister, if he cannot manage a viva voce.

Aveline Fri 17-Jan-25 13:35:52

I wonder what his disability actually was? Vivas are quite small and involve people who know the subject of a thesis well and have read his and have questions about it. It should be easy enough to arrange eg an interpreter or special lighting or whatever might be necessary.

Barleyfields Fri 17-Jan-25 13:39:13

He seems to be neurodivergent, has to have questions put to him in a particular way and be given time to marshal his thoughts. Not exactly compatible with a career as a barrister I would think.

MrsMatt Fri 17-Jan-25 13:42:34

I wonder how he acts when losing a case? Stamp his feet and pout like a petulant child orobably

Wyllow3 Fri 17-Jan-25 13:42:35

He was offered a chance to re-take - presumably under agreed circumstances and refused to go ahead as far as I understand from the O/P.

Barleyfields Fri 17-Jan-25 13:47:23

Silly man. And he claims on one of the links FlitterMouse posted to give strategic advice and see the wider picture. Yes, right …

wibblywobblywobblebottom Fri 17-Jan-25 15:15:45

I honestly don't care.

Barleyfields Fri 17-Jan-25 15:17:35

Why comment then?

Seamus89 Fri 17-Jan-25 15:47:21

What a monumental waste of time and money.

Barleyfields Fri 17-Jan-25 16:00:01

The court will benefit from the fees!

SunnySusie Fri 17-Jan-25 19:59:22

I havent followed this case in the press, but I worked in the higher education sector before I retired and things have changed greatly since I was a student. A significant minority of students now think that since they are paying to study, then its down to the tutors they are funding to ensure they succeed. It then follows that its the fault of university staff if they fail. If they do fail significant numbers then appeal or demand a re-marking. It places a lot of pressure on staff who frequently have to sit on appeal panels and re-mark in their own time. It also requires courage and integrity to face up to the more vociferous if they are marked down. A far cry from my day when Professors were much respected and if you failed then you generally concluded it was down to lack of effort on your own part.

Tanjamaltija Sat 18-Jan-25 09:22:07

It is a tad more complicated than that. www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/barrister-ineligible-for-judicial-posts-fails-in-jac-discrimination-claim

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www.lawfuel.com/cambridge-barrister-grad-takes-alma-mater-to-court-over-phd-fail/

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Barleyfields Sat 18-Jan-25 09:59:26

Two entirely separate ill-thought-out forays into court.

Aveline Sat 18-Jan-25 10:12:57

Well he thinks he's very special doesn't he?!

Barleyfields Sat 18-Jan-25 10:21:20

He’s probably alone there!

Aveline Sat 18-Jan-25 10:39:02

A vexatious litigant

Musicgirl Sat 18-Jan-25 11:00:13

He's so silly, isn't he? He is the epitome of the old saying that it is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool, rather than open it and prove you are a fool. I would imagine that he will find it very difficult to have any decent career here after his actions and probably in his native New Zealand as well.

MissAdventure Sat 18-Jan-25 11:05:00

Two words.
The second is "head".

Wyllow3 Sat 18-Jan-25 11:12:18

What he sees to have failed to do is simply get stuck into a job at a reasonable level according to his abilities, and make a success of it, instead of trying to jump ahead to become a judge by accumulating qualifications of different sorts. It's sad really - a good mind but perhaps very flawed as to the real world.