Mother sentenced for twins’ deaths

In police interviews, Rose admitted leaving the boys alone in the house on two earlier occasions

Whatever the problems the mother had there was no excuse for leaving four small boys alone in the house.
She will suffer the consequences now for the rest of her life.

As for criticism of the wider family, grandmother, great-grandmother, none of us know the circumstances so none should condemn them. They are devastateed

But perhaps she could have managed with support and help Maddy they looked loved
How many photos have we seen of dirty kids with ingrained fingernails and rags for clothes these weren’t like that were
they ?

Pantglas2

We read so much on this site about estrangement where adults decide that their parents are no longer needed or wanted even in grandchildren’s lives. I wonder whether this might have been the case here?

From Woodenspoons post it sounds like it.

BlueBelle

Allira they surely couldn’t have been living in squalor when those photos were taken they were clean, tidy, dressed well and dressed for the weather, with proper coats and warm hats
Anyone not able to keep the house clean wouldn’t have been washing the clothes or keeping the children so pristine
Perhaps the house had only gone down hill more recently Perhaps she’d had a recentbbreakdown

Actually it is possible. My kids went to playgroup with a local family who lived in my road. Kids immaculate, mum would bake wonderful cakes for cake sales at playgroup and school.

They went on holiday and the woman who came in and fed my animals if we were away was asked to feed their cats. Well she came to my door and asked me if I'd go in the house with her as she felt so uncomfortable. I was a bit surprised but went. What a shock I got. The house was absolutely disgusting. The woman who worked as a dog walker and house sitter with animals was heaving at the smell and I presume she was used to animal smells.

I also saw social workers visiting once, don't know why, but they ended up having their meeting with her sitting on the front wall. I assume they couldn't cope with the smell either.

I only know they were social workers as one of the children was playing with mine and pointed out the one woman and said, "That's my social worker."

I can only imagine the pressure must have built up as they look well looked after kids and in all the photos of them they look happy and mischievous and fun so I can’t believe they had lived in squalor for years or even months
I wonder how often they were taken off her hands for her to get a rest Perhaps going to the shop was her only ‘out time’, just tragic all round

We read so much on this site about estrangement where adults decide that their parents are no longer needed or wanted even in grandchildren’s lives. I wonder whether this might have been the case here?

JdotJ

Where was the father ?

An interesting question.

These children should have been in care in my opinion. The mother had mental health issues and was left to look after four tiny children.

Unbelievable.

BlueBelle

None of us know anything that this woman had struggled with the boys looked well dressed clean and with great individual haircuts they looked happy mischievous and dead cute in the photos shown of them but maybe these were earlier photos before she lost control of the situation 4 little boys close in ages would have been a huge handful for two parents
If she had learning difficulties and mental health problems perhaps she totally lost control of the house and children

Poor little souls and poor mum what a sad sad story she needed help and understanding and obviously fell through everyone’s net

The photo can't have been taken long ago because they were 4 and 3 I think.

Coping with four under 5s on your own with no partner must have been just draining.

woodenspoon

This was reported on widely in the local news at the time. She refused to let family in the house and also social workers. The Sainsburys was literally 10 minutes walk from the road she lived in. I know the area well. It has always been a very deprived area in Sutton. The father was the father to all four.

I wonder if the posters who were knocking the family will come back on and acknowledge that she was the one keeping family and social workers away.

Allira they surely couldn’t have been living in squalor when those photos were taken they were clean, tidy, dressed well and dressed for the weather, with proper coats and warm hats
Anyone not able to keep the house clean wouldn’t have been washing the clothes or keeping the children so pristine
Perhaps the house had only gone down hill more recently Perhaps she’d had a recentbbreakdown

This was reported on widely in the local news at the time. She refused to let family in the house and also social workers. The Sainsburys was literally 10 minutes walk from the road she lived in. I know the area well. It has always been a very deprived area in Sutton. The father was the father to all four.

Nanicky

I agree with all the comments on here, The Step Grandmother was speaking of the families devastation, how she could stand there, showing emotion about it, how often were they seeing these poor boys, not very often in my opinion.
Any family member in regular contact would see how the poor mother was struggling, and give help and support.
I know my Grandchildren would always be my priority.
Don't stand there with crocodile tears, should be ashamed.

So you have decided they weren't seeing them often. So I suppose that makes it a fact then.

I wonder about paternal support as well * Indigo8* wailing and gnashing of teeth after the event is not helpful. This seems to be a scenario often played out when one parent leaves the other to cope with all day to day care.

The one who left 4 children to die was the mother and I'm amazed she only got 10 years.

None of us know anything that this woman had struggled with the boys looked well dressed clean and with great individual haircuts they looked happy mischievous and dead cute in the photos shown of them but maybe these were earlier photos before she lost control of the situation 4 little boys close in ages would have been a huge handful for two parents
If she had learning difficulties and mental health problems perhaps she totally lost control of the house and children

Poor little souls and poor mum what a sad sad story she needed help and understanding and obviously fell through everyone’s net

These sweet little lads don't look neglected, there would be no indication of the filthy mess they lived in.

I agree with all the comments on here, The Step Grandmother was speaking of the families devastation, how she could stand there, showing emotion about it, how often were they seeing these poor boys, not very often in my opinion.
Any family member in regular contact would see how the poor mother was struggling, and give help and support.
I know my Grandchildren would always be my priority.
Don't stand there with crocodile tears, should be ashamed.

Allsorts

Where are the fathers! Where is the family. Four children neglected and now dead. Social Services are over stretched. This was a person that would need constant monitoring and assessment. She knows right from wrong. She should never be allowed to have more children
. .

Wider family very upset, perhaps the mother did not welcome them to the house if it was in such a state.

If the little boys always seemed happy, healthy and fed, not neglected, perhaps the grandparents, aunts etc had no idea about the mess in the home or that the mother was not coping.

The little boys looked happy in the pictures shown, not neglected.

Their father Dalton Hoath, who was not in court, had a statement read out saying it was "the worst day of his life" and described his four sons as "beautiful boys".

It is not clear what support Dalton Hoath provided.

Mother mental health issues.
Absent father.
Stomach churning home as the toilet was blocked so the children were using (and missing) buckets, faeces trampled all around.
Grandparents horrified and devastated , now.

A catalogue of disasters sadly, just waiting to explode.
Those little kids found under their beds.
They will have been terrified. Until smoke overcame them making them unconscious.

Mum out at Sainsbury’s for what was termed ‘non essential items’.
Pretended she’d left the children being looked after by someone she called ‘Jade’.

So the firefighters had to go back in to look for this non existent person.

Beyond awful.

Where are the fathers! Where is the family. Four children neglected and now dead. Social Services are over stretched. This was a person that would need constant monitoring and assessment. She knows right from wrong. She should never be allowed to have more children
. .

Poor little mites 😥

JdotJ

Where was the father ?

I asked that too.

Yes, he is desperately upset now but where was he when she needed help?

It speaks volumes about ‘support’ services and general support in the UK. Very very sad. The judge mentioned learning disability ….

Yes I am so sad about this. She had said to her gp she couldn't cope.
I'm not surprised.
I only think that in prison she may get some help and support. At least be in the warm and have enough food.