Mother sentenced for twins’ deaths

It’s a tragedy all round.

Exactly this , where was the help and support? I would have struggled to cope singly with these four little children and I have no mental health issues . What is the point of putting this poor poor woman into prison hasn’t she suffered enough?

Where was the father ?

I agree. Where was the help/support??
Adult social care is so under funded in this country. This poor woman should have been assessed and given the mental health care she needed and the children fostered until she had recovered enough to look after them.

Yes I am so sad about this. She had said to her gp she couldn't cope.
I'm not surprised.
I only think that in prison she may get some help and support. At least be in the warm and have enough food.

It speaks volumes about ‘support’ services and general support in the UK. Very very sad. The judge mentioned learning disability ….

JdotJ

Where was the father ?

I asked that too.

Yes, he is desperately upset now but where was he when she needed help?

Poor little mites 😥

Where are the fathers! Where is the family. Four children neglected and now dead. Social Services are over stretched. This was a person that would need constant monitoring and assessment. She knows right from wrong. She should never be allowed to have more children
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Mother mental health issues.
Absent father.
Stomach churning home as the toilet was blocked so the children were using (and missing) buckets, faeces trampled all around.
Grandparents horrified and devastated , now.

A catalogue of disasters sadly, just waiting to explode.
Those little kids found under their beds.
They will have been terrified. Until smoke overcame them making them unconscious.

Mum out at Sainsbury’s for what was termed ‘non essential items’.
Pretended she’d left the children being looked after by someone she called ‘Jade’.

So the firefighters had to go back in to look for this non existent person.

Beyond awful.

Their father Dalton Hoath, who was not in court, had a statement read out saying it was "the worst day of his life" and described his four sons as "beautiful boys".

It is not clear what support Dalton Hoath provided.

Allsorts

Where are the fathers! Where is the family. Four children neglected and now dead. Social Services are over stretched. This was a person that would need constant monitoring and assessment. She knows right from wrong. She should never be allowed to have more children
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Wider family very upset, perhaps the mother did not welcome them to the house if it was in such a state.

If the little boys always seemed happy, healthy and fed, not neglected, perhaps the grandparents, aunts etc had no idea about the mess in the home or that the mother was not coping.

The little boys looked happy in the pictures shown, not neglected.

I agree with all the comments on here, The Step Grandmother was speaking of the families devastation, how she could stand there, showing emotion about it, how often were they seeing these poor boys, not very often in my opinion.
Any family member in regular contact would see how the poor mother was struggling, and give help and support.
I know my Grandchildren would always be my priority.
Don't stand there with crocodile tears, should be ashamed.

These sweet little lads don't look neglected, there would be no indication of the filthy mess they lived in.

None of us know anything that this woman had struggled with the boys looked well dressed clean and with great individual haircuts they looked happy mischievous and dead cute in the photos shown of them but maybe these were earlier photos before she lost control of the situation 4 little boys close in ages would have been a huge handful for two parents
If she had learning difficulties and mental health problems perhaps she totally lost control of the house and children

Poor little souls and poor mum what a sad sad story she needed help and understanding and obviously fell through everyone’s net

The one who left 4 children to die was the mother and I'm amazed she only got 10 years.

I wonder about paternal support as well * Indigo8* wailing and gnashing of teeth after the event is not helpful. This seems to be a scenario often played out when one parent leaves the other to cope with all day to day care.

Nanicky

I agree with all the comments on here, The Step Grandmother was speaking of the families devastation, how she could stand there, showing emotion about it, how often were they seeing these poor boys, not very often in my opinion.
Any family member in regular contact would see how the poor mother was struggling, and give help and support.
I know my Grandchildren would always be my priority.
Don't stand there with crocodile tears, should be ashamed.

So you have decided they weren't seeing them often. So I suppose that makes it a fact then.

This was reported on widely in the local news at the time. She refused to let family in the house and also social workers. The Sainsburys was literally 10 minutes walk from the road she lived in. I know the area well. It has always been a very deprived area in Sutton. The father was the father to all four.

Allira they surely couldn’t have been living in squalor when those photos were taken they were clean, tidy, dressed well and dressed for the weather, with proper coats and warm hats
Anyone not able to keep the house clean wouldn’t have been washing the clothes or keeping the children so pristine
Perhaps the house had only gone down hill more recently Perhaps she’d had a recentbbreakdown

woodenspoon

This was reported on widely in the local news at the time. She refused to let family in the house and also social workers. The Sainsburys was literally 10 minutes walk from the road she lived in. I know the area well. It has always been a very deprived area in Sutton. The father was the father to all four.

I wonder if the posters who were knocking the family will come back on and acknowledge that she was the one keeping family and social workers away.

BlueBelle

None of us know anything that this woman had struggled with the boys looked well dressed clean and with great individual haircuts they looked happy mischievous and dead cute in the photos shown of them but maybe these were earlier photos before she lost control of the situation 4 little boys close in ages would have been a huge handful for two parents
If she had learning difficulties and mental health problems perhaps she totally lost control of the house and children

Poor little souls and poor mum what a sad sad story she needed help and understanding and obviously fell through everyone’s net

The photo can't have been taken long ago because they were 4 and 3 I think.

Coping with four under 5s on your own with no partner must have been just draining.

JdotJ

Where was the father ?

An interesting question.

These children should have been in care in my opinion. The mother had mental health issues and was left to look after four tiny children.

Unbelievable.

We read so much on this site about estrangement where adults decide that their parents are no longer needed or wanted even in grandchildren’s lives. I wonder whether this might have been the case here?