"Read the Room" and stick to the subject

ferry23

I've just said that I apologise for omitting some other groups. My thoughts still remain the same.

Babs03 - you don't know what the thread is trying to achieve? I'm sorry, I thought SM was about expressing views, I didn't know I should have an end goal.

I thought some of the posts were inappropriate. Excuse me for voicing my opinion.

You are free to express your views and so are others posting even if they aren’t aligned. That’s how these groups work.

some of them crossed themselves as they placed their candles, which led me to believe that they were probably Polish
Yes, I believe that the Poland that existed before WW2 was multi-ethnic, so some of the prisoners would have come from faiths other than Judaism. That is why many in Poland focus on the non-Jewish victims.
If I remember correctly, I read only one inappropriate comment on the other thread, to do with Trump being a modern Hitler? Otherwise, all posts were written in a respectful and reflective manner, nobody resenting the focus on any particular group's suffering.

Hope it goes OK tomorrow theworriedwell .

I wish some posters would show some very basic respect and let those of us who wish to commemorate and remember those in whose honour for whom the day is reserved in a peaceful and reflective manner.
The "hiding in plain sight" posters are getting very predictable
Who are the “hiding in plain sight posters” ?
Unnecessarily goady and entirely at variance with OP’s stated objective

maddyone

There was nothing wrong with it theworriedwell.
It seems appropriate.

Thank you, I'm on heavy painkillers due to a tooth that's cracked in half, being pulled out tomorrow. I thought I was missing something in my brain fog.

There was nothing wrong with it theworriedwell.
It seems appropriate.

I still don't understand what was wrong with Angela Rayners message. Can anyone enlighten me.

I only saw Angela Rayner’s tweet here on GN as I don’t do Twitter/X. It seems an entirely appropriate tweet to me.

27th January, Holocaust Memorial Day, is about remembering all the victims of Nazi persecution, which included several groups already mentioned upthread.
However we all know that by far the largest group were Jewish people, which is perhaps why there is a huge focus on the Jewish people.

I noticed yesterday, whilst watching the surviving victims of Auschwitz lightning their candles, that some of them crossed themselves as they placed their candles, which led me to believe that they were probably Polish, or one of the other groups that the Nazis targeted.

My Jewish friend always posts an image of a candle on her Facebook page in remembrance on 27th January, so it is fair to say that she marks the day.

It was mentioned yesterday that 60 million people died across Europe during WW2. What a sobering thought.

Never again.

Agree, Lucky Girl, Holocaust remembrance day is also for the other minority groups put to death, although Jewish people were by far the nost numerous victims. I thought the ceremonies & coverage did reflect that, but the OP doesn't.

SilverBrook

What did Rayner say in her social media post that was wrong? She wrote:

^Tonight, I'm lighting a candle to remember all those who were murdered just for being who they were, and to stand against prejudice and hatred today. Never again. #LightThe Darkness #HMD2025.^

I can't see what's wrong with that. Much better than excluding groups.

SilverBrook

What did Rayner say in her social media post that was wrong? She wrote:

^Tonight, I'm lighting a candle to remember all those who were murdered just for being who they were, and to stand against prejudice and hatred today. Never again. #LightThe Darkness #HMD2025.^

Hear, hear

ferry23

I've just said that I apologise for omitting some other groups. My thoughts still remain the same.

Babs03 - you don't know what the thread is trying to achieve? I'm sorry, I thought SM was about expressing views, I didn't know I should have an end goal.

I thought some of the posts were inappropriate. Excuse me for voicing my opinion.

You omitted all the other groups.

Holocaust Memorial Day is about remembering the Jews that died at the hands of the Nazis. Nothing else
I have taken several A level History trips to Berlin as part if the Rise of Hitler element of the syllabus and each trip has included a day at the former Sachsenhausen concentration camp at Oranienburg. I have also visited Bergen Belsen and my father was part of one of the battalions whose awful task was to "clean up" that camp after its initial liberation.
One thing has always been clear- not only Jews perished in their hundreds of thousands, or millions at the hands of the Nazis in camps such as these- Roma, political prisoners, gays, communists, the physically disabled, so called "decadent artists, those of mixed race among them.

Do we not remember their persecution and annihilation too?

What did Rayner say in her social media post that was wrong? She wrote:

Tonight, I'm lighting a candle to remember all those who were murdered just for being who they were, and to stand against prejudice and hatred today. Never again. #LightThe Darkness #HMD2025.

Why was it in a thread remembering the evil that was the Holocaust?

Angela Rayner's tweet. I sincerely hope you did not know this.

I didn’t see a post from Angela Rayner

ferry23 I understand your inference. Angela Rayner's post ,well ,left me speechless.

"Holocaust Memorial Day is about remembering the Jews that died at the hands of the Nazis. Nothing else."

Actually that's not true, ferry23 Please take a look at the actual site, I have posted a small part.

"Holocaust Memorial Day is a time when we seek to learn the lessons of the past and recognise that genocide does not just take place on its own – it’s a steady process which can begin if discrimination, racism and hatred are not checked and prevented. Discrimination has not ended, nor has the use of the language of hatred or exclusion. There is still much to do to create a safer future and HMD is an opportunity to start this process."
The above was taken from the HMD site, link attached
hmd.org.uk/what-is-holocaust-memorial-day/why-mark-hmd/

I believe that the 27th day of Nisan in the Hebrew calendar, (which is usually in April or May in the Gregorian calendar)
is when Jews commemorate the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. Though, of course, all victims of the Holocaust should have been remembered on 27 January.

I've just said that I apologise for omitting some other groups. My thoughts still remain the same.

Babs03 - you don't know what the thread is trying to achieve? I'm sorry, I thought SM was about expressing views, I didn't know I should have an end goal.

I thought some of the posts were inappropriate. Excuse me for voicing my opinion.

Two websites you need to visit ferry23:

hmd.org.uk/what-is-holocaust-memorial-day/

It states:

The Holocaust Memorial Day Trust encourages remembrance in a world scarred by prejudice and systematic, targeted persecution. We promote and support Holocaust Memorial Day – the international day on 27 January. The Holocaust is central to Holocaust Memorial Day and we remember the 6 million Jews murdered during the Holocaust. We also commemorate the millions more people murdered through the Nazi persecution of other groups and in the more recent genocides recognised by the UK government, and the genocide in Darfur.

27 January marks the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest Nazi death camp.

... and the chart reproduced from:

auschwitz.net/the-victims/

I agree but don’t think a thread about this is necessary. The thread I read about Holocaust Memorial Day seemed very respectful and some merely pointed out that not much had been learned. Which is true.
Am not exactly sure what this thread aims to do, except perhaps allow others to have a go at commenters they feel over stepped the mark.
I didn’t comment. I marked the occasion by watching the service attended by the King.
But I think we all know how to report a post we think is inappropriate.

Yes, I apologise it is about remembering other groups who were victims and other genocides. But my thoughts remain the same.