Sir Keir Starmer has vowed to press ahead with savage welfare cuts, describing the current system as “unsustainable, indefensible and unfair”.

Woodenspoon I hope you don’t see us on holiday next week, three with Down Syndrome I did not give birth to any of them they are adopted! Many of my friends are in the same situation please do not judge without knowing the full facts! Also despite being adults they do get benefits.

Starmer never said 'savage': it's purely provocative and typical DT fear mongering.

'Savage' is definitely a loaded word. The DT is not the paper it used to be. I've never agreed with its political stance, but it used to be a serious paper. I had a year's subscription to it recently (a gift), and found it sensationalist and very biased (the sub ran in the year before the GE, which probably made things worse).

I'm reading the i now, and am not delighted with that either. I stopped reading the Guardian because of its anti-feminist stance, so I find myself more or less homeless when it comes to newspapers (which I read online with a subscription, as a rule). When the i subscription runs out I might just stick with the BBC app, unless anyone can suggest a verifiable alternative.

Fartooold - sending you and yours best wishes for a lovely holiday.

Fartooold

Woodenspoon I hope you don’t see us on holiday next week, three with Down Syndrome I did not give birth to any of them they are adopted! Many of my friends are in the same situation please do not judge without knowing the full facts! Also despite being adults they do get benefits.

If woodenspoon does happen to see you I hope she has her smelling salts with her when she has a touch of the vapours 😱
And that Pearl necklace must be worn out by now. 😂

Fartooold Wishing you and all your family a wonderful holiday.

Doodledog

'Savage' is definitely a loaded word. The DT is not the paper it used to be. I've never agreed with its political stance, but it used to be a serious paper. I had a year's subscription to it recently (a gift), and found it sensationalist and very biased (the sub ran in the year before the GE, which probably made things worse).

I'm reading the i now, and am not delighted with that either. I stopped reading the Guardian because of its anti-feminist stance, so I find myself more or less homeless when it comes to newspapers (which I read online with a subscription, as a rule). When the i subscription runs out I might just stick with the BBC app, unless anyone can suggest a verifiable alternative.

The DT's headlines have turned Red Top and almost always when they get repeated on GN they are revealed to be sensationalist at best and so biased at worst - by only giving a small chunk of a story which distorts the reality. Cross checking soon reveals the reality behind the headline. As we'd expect from the DM and the Express.

However I really miss the chance to look across the different papers online to get the broadest views.

I think the BBC I player news is the best going. they are cautious in their reporting, do not sensationalise it, and there is nowhere else you can look at world news which doesnt appear in the papers at all generally. I think the Guardian has a liberal filter but does give lots of useful facts and covers necessary issues and its free access - I dont feel I have to agree with it all, and it doesnt sensationalise. At the moment for example it has a story running that criticises benefit cuts and why.

Fartooold Have a great time on holiday with your family.

Lots of love around you I’ll bet.💕

Wyllow3 I absolutely agree with you about BBC I Player news. You can see why certain people deride the BBC and want it 'defunded'. Silencing that balanced voice would suit them very well.

The hysteria and ridiculous headlines in the DT and DM etc when Labour won the election was beyond belief. Having spent the last several years whinging about excitable rabid snowflakes these publications proved that they were exactly that. The thinking people I know gave up on the DT then.

Yes, I trust the BBC, and am happy to go with that as a main source of news. I do read across a range of sources, but I like to have one that sends breaking news headlines and that I check in the morning when there's not time to read a range of articles.

I won't be bothering with the DT again. The climate around trans issues is changing, so if the Guardian stops its bigoted stance I might end up back with them - my father took the Graun when I was growing up, and it was my natural home for years, so I've missed it. I just found it's been bad for my blood pressure recently.

I player news, every morning, has a round up of all the news headlines. Just go to the front page and it's up until about midday. I spotted the "savage cuts" before it appeared here!

Add: its not the headlines, its all the front pages, so you can see what different issues are "up"

Daniel Martin. Fifteen years peddling similar inflammatory stuff at the Dail Mail and now doing the same at the Telegraph.

Of course people are concerned about how changes in benefit spending will be achieved but even following the link from the phrase “savage cuts” in the article doesn’t lead to anything that says savage cuts, just another Martin piece again using the word "ruthless”. It’s all just his hyperbole which is then repeated verbatim on this board.

Indeed sensationalist and very annoying.

But "Starmer takes a look at reforming benefits system" doesn't really cut the mustard in today's sensation-speak world. The papers have their funders' to please with circulation figures and need something that will catch the eye on the news stand.

Thankyou Ladies for your kind words,
I hope you all have a good weekend.

Luckygirl3

Indeed sensationalist and very annoying.

But "Starmer takes a look at reforming benefits system" doesn't really cut the mustard in today's sensation-speak world. The papers have their funders' to please with circulation figures and need something that will catch the eye on the news stand.

I'm sure it's possible to choose a nifty headline without lying.....and causing unnecessary alarm.

Fartooold

You deserve an amazing holiday with your dear family, I hope that’s exactly what you all get!

Look out for any wooden spoons

Wyllow3

Luckygirl3

Indeed sensationalist and very annoying.

But "Starmer takes a look at reforming benefits system" doesn't really cut the mustard in today's sensation-speak world. The papers have their funders' to please with circulation figures and need something that will catch the eye on the news stand.

I'm sure it's possible to choose a nifty headline without lying.....and causing unnecessary alarm.

It's definitely possible - but do any papers actually pursue that possibility?

I am worried for people with disabilities who may see their PIP vanish who really need it.
Often the ones who know how to answer questions are the ones who really benefit while those who answer honestly could face cuts.

I don't understand why any Labour politician can contemplate cutting PIP or making it harder to get. It seems just plain vicious. Being disabled is an expensive business, surely the Labour Party should be trying to make life better, not worse.
Not updating PIP in line with inflation will, I understand, require a vote in parliament. Maybe some Labour MPs will discover their moral compass at that stage.

And again, the amount of fraud in PIP is estimated to be nil.

Its not clear what they will do with PIP except suggestions to tighten up on judgments on some aspects of the points system, the one thats clear so far is the gradual abolition of ESA (which is basically the version of Universal Credit for those who cannot work) which is a more generous payment than UC and ESA will revert for all to UC.

Cossy You made me chuckle!

I’ve seen fraud of disability benefits and of the motorbility scheme

Ilovecheese

And again, the amount of fraud in PIP is estimated to be nil.

I'm not surprised to hear that. It'd damned difficult to get and keep even for people who are really deserving.