Has Disney Lost Its Way?

I have seen a few Disney modern films and enjoyed them.

The review in The Times gives it 1*.
Apparently it is Woke to the point of idiocy.
This is one example; Snow White is named after the snow in winter not because her skin is as white as snow.
The fear of excluding non-whites is ludicrous and patronising.

I’ve always disliked Disney, ever since childhood. I just don’t like the style, so to me there is not much to lose.

Dwarf actors are complaining about the use of CGI dwarves as opposed to employing dwarf actors.

They raised a good point that this is one film along with the Christmas pantomimes of Snow White where they can get work.

There are also numerous reports that the actor playing Snow White thinks the original plot is misogynistic and verging on stalking of Snow White by the Prince.

It really is like going through the Looking Glass nowadays trying to adhere to new ideas and rules

Perhaps we should boycott them anyway as they are American.

I think childrens programs have gone downhill since The Flower Pot Men, so learly I'm no expert.😀

The old Snow White film is wonderful .
I haven't seen the new version .
Bambi made me cry !
I prefer old cartoons -they have style and atmosphere .

It's fiction, let's not get too caught up in bashing it. Things change with the times. If a man crept up on a sleeping woman (or one in a coma) and kissed her, no matter how chastely, in real life, there would be an outcry. As this is a children's film maybe we need to take that into account as we want children to learn from a young age that "consent" is extremely important. I'm not sure whether we can pick and choose when we role model versus when we don't when it comes to children.
The old animated version was lovely for its time and can certainly be used as a discussion about the old ways and new when kids are old enough to understand.

Modern animation is so good - pixar et al - that Disney films face fierce competition .
The Disney corporation is not famous for inclusivity. There are very few people of colour in the Disney - run town of Celebration: I saw none.

Chocolatelovinggran

Modern animation is so good - pixar et al - that Disney films face fierce competition .
The Disney corporation is not famous for inclusivity. There are very few people of colour in the Disney - run town of Celebration: I saw none.

Not sure that is true these days. We've had Pocahontas, Encanto, Coco, Moana, Brave and Mulan to name a few.

I’ve watched many of the newer Disney films with grandchildren. They’re great, good triumphs over evil and the female protagonists are much more reflective of modern life than those from the 1940’s or 50’s

‘Woke to the point of idiocy, what does that mean?

I can see why the Snow White actor sees the original plot as misogynistic and stalking like behaviour from the Prince.

Well done those small actors - they need the work.

Beauty and the Beast - feminist critics had plenty to say about that in the 70’s. For obvious reasons

GrannyGravy13

Dwarf actors are complaining about the use of CGI dwarves as opposed to employing dwarf actors.

They raised a good point that this is one film along with the Christmas pantomimes of Snow White where they can get work.

There are also numerous reports that the actor playing Snow White thinks the original plot is misogynistic and verging on stalking of Snow White by the Prince.

It really is like going through the Looking Glass nowadays trying to adhere to ^new ideas and rules^

I had a friend whose daughter was achondroplasic. She hated the it when any town did a Snow White pantomime because the amount of abuse that sufferers endured when it happened would go through the roof ( and it was bad enough at other times).

I was told one of the reasons they are remake these films is also to do with maintaining the copyright?

I love Encanto! My favourite Disney cartoon. Very witty.
And I loved that Frozen’s central love theme was the closeness between two sisters.

Disney has lost absolutely nothing rather they cater to their largest market when creating new films and they do it well. Where a film is disliked I expect that is not the market they prefer to cater for for profit. Perhaps it is far smaller. The wonderful news is that everyone's favourites are still available so Disney wins regardless.

Hmmm - I think the most recent thing I have seen from Disney was Rivals (the bonkbuster by Jilly Cooper) - not really family entertainment

Some modernizations of traditional fairy tales have been well done - I really enjoyed Tangled (Rapunzel) where they made her strong and capable rather than a placid, demure woman waiting for a prince.

Prince kissing snow white shows lack of consent? Really? Perhaps they should have had him giving the kiss of life and CPR..an educational film for children. What nonsense.

I saw the first SnowWhite film when I was 4 years old. Apparently, I cried for a large part of the film and those in the audience around us tried so hard to get me to stop being so upset offering bribes of anything they thought I'd like and showing me their children weren't upset about the wicked witch. Apparently a stick of barley sugar did the trick!

Grandma70s

I’ve always disliked Disney, ever since childhood. I just don’t like the style, so to me there is not much to lose.

I must be old school too Grandma70s!
I distrust Disney. Too perfect in the main.
Not a patch on Wallace & Gromit imo!
Just as vinyl is better than downloads, and Cadbury's after being taken over, AAI bores me.
We can spot artificiality and, as good as it superficially looks, it rarely, really hits the spot.
I feel for children being brought up on it.

Cold

Hmmm - I think the most recent thing I have seen from Disney was Rivals (the bonkbuster by Jilly Cooper) - not really family entertainment

I didn't get beyond the heaving bare buttocks in the aeroplane loo. Not that I am prudish or anything. I wonder what Mary Poppins would have thought of it!

There was the most damning review in The Times the other day, but it was just one of many the same, I gather.

The Gdcs are going to be away for half term, so not staying with us for the usual few days, and thank goodness no chance of wanting to go and see it!

I adore the old Disneys - Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty in particular. I would never want to see any PC makeover of those!

Hubby and I went Friday afternoon to see it. We did not enjoy it. The songs were too long and the story was weak. There were a total of 8 people in the cinema so it sounds like the critics panning it has put people off. My hubby fell asleep and I have never seen him do that before.

4allweknow

I saw the first SnowWhite film when I was 4 years old. Apparently, I cried for a large part of the film and those in the audience around us tried so hard to get me to stop being so upset offering bribes of anything they thought I'd like and showing me their children weren't upset about the wicked witch. Apparently a stick of barley sugar did the trick!

I was taken to see Fantasia at 4, when a trip to the cinema was a very rare event. The evolution (Rite of Spring) sequence made a deep impression on me even then, and I still remember my father explaining how land animals had evolved from fishes.

OTOH I found the Night On Bare Mountain sequence exceedingly scary!