“Bet Lynch”

Look I'm not on FB but there are privacy filters I believe. So whoever got hold of it be it the DM then they are culpable, but still, he, the husband, whoever he is, should have not photographed her minus her teeth and put that on F. All I know if it were my loved one, mother, husband, there's no way I could disrespect them in allowing such a photograph to be circulated.

Anniebach

This is a first, the Daily Mail took photographs from a private account, has it made any apology yet ?

It's by no means a first. Newspapers have been doing this for years and years. You just need to look at any social media site to see that where they get many of their stories and photos. Unless your FB account is completely locked down, then anyone can copy your photos and use them.

This is a first, the Daily Mail took photographs from a private account, has it made any apology yet ?

No Terribull the husband shared it on his fb page as a celebration ….the Daily Mail (was it the DM)? took it to sensationalise and beat him with a stick they are the abusers not him

Anniebach

Doubt it, certainly not for social media

That's fair. We took photos of both my mum and MiL when they were in the latter stages of dementia, but they were purely for us as a family and weren't posted or shared anywhere on line. Did they know or could they have consented? At that stage, probably not, but they brought comfort to family members later on. The care home where my MiL lived (and FiL still does) regularly take photos of residents and some are shared on their own social media (with families' consent, obviously).

Well I hope if I get dementia I don’t get pushed up a corner or shut in a room I want to be remembered for the nutter I am,, warts and all, they can take as many photos of me as they like, it will mean they are NOT ashamed of me, and still want to share me and my personality, with or without teeth.

I don't think anyone is saying that a photograph of a person with dementia should never be taken, it would depend on the circumstances. It is however the circumstances that have surrounded this particular picture and the fact that it's out there in the wider domain. I mean quite withstanding the fact that she couldn't give her consent, why was she presented in such a shocking way, without teeth. Pictures of patients in asylums of yesteryear would have been presented minus their teeth, displaying frailties, abnormalities. Really it wasn't kind and it isn't now, once again, her husband should have made her dignity a priority. Just because she was and is a known celebrity, in this context she should be treated like any other person. Whether she was happy or not, she was presented as some sort of spectacle, if that wasn't the case there wouldn't have been the backlash.

Doubt it, certainly not for social media

Anniebach

I. Repeat ‘ I cannot ‘, not the rest of the world cannot not or should not, ‘I cannot ‘

Yes thanks, I can read. So you personally would never take a photo of a loved one with dementia?

I. Repeat ‘ I cannot ‘, not the rest of the world cannot not or should not, ‘I cannot ‘

Are we suggesting that no-one with dementia should ever have their photo taken, if they may not know the photo is being taken or can give consent?

I cannot, she didn’t choose for the photographs to be shared and we do not know if she knew photographs were being taken,

She looks happy as Larry in all these pics surely that’s all we all want to feel happy and secure whether we ve got teeth or not, whether we ve got wrinkles or not.
She’s alive, she’s obviously loved and she looks as happy and loud as she always was
Embrace her age and her illness stop all the misery I bet if she could she’d still get up and dance and laugh as loud as she always did

Anniebach

Then why were they not shared with only family and friends

How on earth would I know? Maybe he did and someone else copied his photos and shared it or sent it to the media? There could be any number of ways in which the picture found itself in the public domain. Not everyone is tech savvy or realises just how easy it is to get your hands on someone else's photos.

Maybe he has lots of supporters on Facebook? People who have been part of his/their circle of family/friends and fans?

Then why were they not shared with only family and friends

Anniebach

If only for family why Facebook

People often share things on Facebook and similar so that family and friends in other areas can see their posts too. As I said, you can lock down your profile so that only people who are on your friends list can see what you post.

Undoubtedly she couldn’t, Terribull. People with dementia will often not recognise their current faces, only much younger versions. There is a good reason why care homes often have no mirrors in residents’ accommodation. They can become scared of this weird old person who seems to be looking at them.

Agree TerriBull it wasn’t her choice and she could not be consulted.

It's been said up thread, if any of us were asked when we had all our mental faculties, if, at some future time, we would like a photo of ourselves published for the nation to pick over (not family members, that's quite different), suffering from dementia, minus most of our teeth, would we want that? I think those of us who find the photo disrespectful towards Julie Goodyear, is because quite possibly she couldn't, at this stage of her life, make an informed choice about her present image going viral.

If only for family why Facebook

The photo wasn't for the fans who remember her leopard print days, it was for her family. It was posted by her partner of 30 years who knows her as she is now and it is infair to suggest that he is "parading" her on social media. The glamorous barmaid was a part she played for the public. The photo is the real Julie and her husband is not ashamed of that. Good for him.

I think it's a brilliant, truthful photograph of Julie. She looks so happy and if her family aren't bothered about her being seen minus her dentures, why should others who are strangers to her?
I have many photos of my Mum, who suffered from dementia, surrounded by her great-grandchildren and grandchildren. She is hardly recognisable due to losing so much weight (no interest in eating) and refusing to wear her dentures. But the photos show her pleasure in the company of family and now that she's died, they remind us all of happy times.

The photograph has been widely available on various media and websites. Sharing it on here isn't going to make much difference.

Why does it have to be Turkey teeth or no teeth, this thread since the photograph was included in very upsetting