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Harry’s over for a Court case but not to see his Papa. šŸ¤”

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 12:56:51

Charles & Camilla flew out to Rome on a planned visit so they missed one another by mere hours. Harry obviously didn’t want to spend any time with them. He will have known of their itinerary. There are so few occasions when he does fly over now from Montecito. An opportunity lost, especially with his father’s health I think.

henetha Sat 03-May-25 11:28:26

Good point, JenniferEccles. What would happen to him?

Carlotta Sat 03-May-25 11:33:45

Harry has said, that by RAVEC removing security for him and his family, that it was a "reckless action knowingly put me and my family in harm's way". Don't suppose his boasts of killing 25 Taliban fighters. Every kill was on video. The Apache saw all. The camera in its nose recorded all of it had anything to do with putting a target on his back. He's an idiot and I don't blame his family for wanting nothing to do with him. I just hope they continue to grey rock him with complete silence.

Daddima Sat 03-May-25 11:58:08

Allira

westendgirl

I think he's gone too far this time. it has long been a "rule " in the Royal Family that they do not air grievances in public.
Harry knows this. I saw the interview yesterday and wondered why he was going down that route again. I should think he has made matters worse.
By the way if he wants to bring his family over why can't he pay for the security ?

He can but his security would not be allowed to carry firearms.
If, of course, he was reconciled with his family, their security would also cover him when he was with them.

He's been listening to the wrong advice, nurturing his grievances and he seems to have burnt his boats now.

I may be wrong, but I think he was told they would have security on a ā€˜bespoke basis’ whenever he and his family were in the UK, but that was apparently not enough. I’m sure the royals’ protection officers all carry guns, and they would be the ones who would be guarding Harry & co.

Labradora Sat 03-May-25 11:58:51

The Markle/Windsors can visit the UK any time they like provided that they are prepared to pay for their own security. This is all about Harry getting what he demanded when he left of which a major component is money.Guardian did a fact based piece about private security costs for this type of situation of which a conservative estimate was £2.5 to £3 million annually about two years ago.Extra for visits abroad.
I doubt if the British government would object to genuine low-key family visits 3 or 4 times a year but that is not, I suspect what is intended.
My guess is that the Harrys intend to monetise their connections with the Royalty that they so despise via frequent visits for high-visual-royal -profile events.That way the British Taxpayer, through funding their security, would get to fund their careers as global celebrities.
That was , of course, their original intention.
Only through monetising Royalty can they achieve the financial success they need for their millionaire lifestyle.
They have Capital, but annual security costs surely are draining that away at pace.
Also he's a horrible, selfish little s°°° to use his father's Cancer as another tool in his whingeing box.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 12:02:53

He is a sad damaged little boy
He's 40. He was an officer in the Army. He's married and a father.
He did not seem sad and damaged a few years ago; he was happy. Both he and his brother suffered the traumatic and shocking death of their mother, and it could be that neither will come to terms with that but Harry just seems to be totally unhappy with himself and the world now.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 12:05:20

Carlotta

Harry has said, that by RAVEC removing security for him and his family, that it was a "reckless action knowingly put me and my family in harm's way". Don't suppose his boasts of killing 25 Taliban fighters. Every kill was on video. The Apache saw all. The camera in its nose recorded all of it had anything to do with putting a target on his back. He's an idiot and I don't blame his family for wanting nothing to do with him. I just hope they continue to grey rock him with complete silence.

He put his fellow soldiers at risk too. Disloyal and unforgivable.

GrannySomerset Sat 03-May-25 12:06:17

If all those who lost parents early in life were as self-centred and self-pitying as this spoiled man-child the world would be an even worse place. Time for him to count his many blessings!

Aveline Sat 03-May-25 12:08:32

Let's face it - he's just not very bright

Allira Sat 03-May-25 12:08:40

There will be many adults who will be thinking, this week in particular, of the parent(s) they lost, who did not come back from WW2.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 03-May-25 12:31:00

I wonder how long Meghan’s father has left? Does his forgiveness extend to him? I doubt it.

Lallykins Sat 03-May-25 12:37:14

I would have thought so.
and as to his not wanting to be in the public eye, and have the press following him. He's doing a grand job of it!

luckily, we have the option of following the press coverage, or not. and I really dont give a fig.

LauraNorderr Sat 03-May-25 12:39:06

When anyone leaves their job, they also lose the perks.
No royal duties, no security.
Simples.

winterwhite Sat 03-May-25 12:46:46

The last straw for the royal family must have been when Harry said that he forgave them.

It’s hard to see his family being the target of armed assassins in England. I find that absurd. It’s a fuss about nothing much beyond Meghan’s desire for status symbols.

NanKate Sat 03-May-25 12:51:14

I thought I had read that Meghan said she never wanted to visit the U.K. again. So if Harry visits it will be on his own. Whether Meghan allows the children to visit their grandfather is another thing.

LizzieDrip Sat 03-May-25 13:03:45

GrannySomerset

If all those who lost parents early in life were as self-centred and self-pitying as this spoiled man-child the world would be an even worse place. Time for him to count his many blessings!

Agreed, GrannySomerset.

I had lost both my parents before I was 13 years old - both suddenly and tragically.

Whilst it obviously affected me deeply, it certainly did not make me self-pitying in the way that Harry is.

He really needs to look inside himself, be grateful for what he has, and move on from the past.

I’m no fan of royalty but even I was shocked at what he said regarding not knowing how much longer his father has. Given the circumstances of their relationship, such a cruel comment!

Carlotta Sat 03-May-25 13:20:27

Harry just seems to be totally unhappy with himself Of course he is! He's slowly but surely realised that he's screwed up everything he ever had. He's gone from being 2nd in line to the throne, a much loved member of the royal family, an active supporter of good causes and an admired soldier in the armed forces. Now he's exiled to the other side of the world, his family want nothing to do with him, his charities have distanced themselves from him, he's got no role or purpose in life except to be a bystander to his wife. All that and his mother in law lives with him too! grin

Ziplok Sat 03-May-25 13:28:22

Cambsnan

He is a sad damaged little boy. A good father would reach out to comfort him.

He’s not a sad, damaged little boy, he’s a grown man who isn’t behaving in a very adult way. His ā€œwoe is meā€ demeanour has worn somewhat thin over the years. He seems to forget that there were two young boys who lost their mother in tragic circumstances, not one; and also, tragically, all over the world, there are young children who have lost their mothers in tragic ways but they don’t forever bleat on about how badly done to they are.

As for assuming his Father isn’t reaching out to comfort him, I suspect his Father has tried very hard to reach out in the past but has probably become very disheartened by the behaviour of his youngest son. I assume he will always love his son, but must be incredibly frustrated and exasperated by him.

Ziplok Sat 03-May-25 13:30:15

GrannySomerset

If all those who lost parents early in life were as self-centred and self-pitying as this spoiled man-child the world would be an even worse place. Time for him to count his many blessings!

I completely agree with this.

Aveline Sat 03-May-25 13:35:13

Having read American media posts it doesn't look like Meghan has much time for him either these days.
If only he'd listened to his big brother and not rushed into his marriage.

hollysteers Sat 03-May-25 14:14:43

I don’t understand how members of the RF cannot accept that frank interviews are a bad idea. Think of all the disastrous interviews, Diana, Charles, Andrew etc.

It’s better to keep your mouth shut like the older royals, who gave little away. Never complain, never explain, to paraphrase.

What happened to self respect, dignity and grace? Here we have a product of the best that England can offer as in Eton, family etc. and he is an embarrassment.

There may be some truth in the belief that there is ā€˜bad blood’ in the Spencer line.

hollysteers Sat 03-May-25 14:18:09

I’d like to see Princess Anne give Harry a piece of her mind. In fact I’d pay to see it.

Ziplok Sat 03-May-25 14:20:01

I used to like Harry, he seemed quite personable, and was always popular with the general public. However, his behaviour in recent years has changed my opinion of him. He now comes across as entitled, spoiled and self absorbed.

He seems totally oblivious that airing his dirty linen in public the way he has done was completely the wrong way of dealing with what he perceives as injustices towards him.

His family, surely, can never trust him after his very public outbursts - they may wonder what he would say and do next.

I’m afraid he has burned his bridges, and fear that any kind of reconciliation is a very long way off, sadly, if it’s ever possible (though never say never, of course).

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 03-May-25 14:20:04

The Spencer’s are a whingey lot.

GrannySomerset Sat 03-May-25 14:21:17

I’m with Hollysteers on this!

Anniebach Sat 03-May-25 14:33:27

Charles gave an interview to his official biographer, he didn’t criticise anyone,Anne gave some no criticism, Prince Phillip gave several over the years no criticism. Edward several no criticism. Sophie several, no criticism
Andrew dug a deeper hole, never more from him but no criticism.
Sarah gave many and still does, Diana gave several and was eager to share with the press on her every move.